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Levon Aronian vs Veselin Topalov
Sinquefield Cup (2014), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 2, Aug-28
Slav Defense: Chameleon Variation (D15)  ·  1-0

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Aug-28-14
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  luzhin: After Topalov unaccountably failed to force a Q exchange by 20...Qb4+ he was horribly splattered. NEVER allow Aronian a big initiative....
Aug-28-14  parisattack: Unfortunately, 'patent-Topalov' - as was the Round 1 disaster.
Aug-28-14  posoo: MR LUZHIN BE DAMNED!

Actually though, da man is quite right, and uses EXACTLY da right term - it is UNNACOUNTABLE dat toplove did not exchange queens while up mateereal. worst comes to worst - DRAUGH.

then again, toppola has demonstrated a fighting spirit and I admire his play.;

Aug-28-14  Pulo y Gata: <luzhin: After Topalov unaccountably failed to force a Q exchange by 20...Qb4+ he was horribly splattered. NEVER allow Aronian a big initiative....>

Topalov surely didn't like the position after 20...Qb4 21.Qxb4 Nxb4 22.Bd2 Nd5 23.Bxd5 cxd5 24.c6! when White should be winning.

Aug-28-14  Pulo y Gata: <luzhin: After Topalov unaccountably failed to force a Q exchange by 20...Qb4+ he was horribly splattered. NEVER allow Aronian a big initiative....>

Topalov surely didn't like the position after 20...Qb4 21.Qxb4 Nxb4 22.Bd2 Nd5 23.Bxd5 cxd5 when White should be winning.

Aug-28-14  posoo: SHOOD be winning. lol. White DID win. I'd rather taka SHOOD than a DID!

PLUS what about 22 . . . NA5? ?!?!?

Aug-28-14
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  Penguincw: Somebody had to give in this game. If Aronian did not win, then not having a positive record with 2 whites is not good, especially considering he'll have the next 2 games with black (and 4 of 5). If Aronian had won, then obviously Topalov, at -2, wouldn't be too happy.

In the game, Topalov lost, and if he can't get a win tomorrow, he risks falling further behind, as in Round 4, he has black against Carlsen. He is +6,-1,=1 in his lifetime in that situation.

Aug-28-14  Pulo y Gata: <posoo: SHOOD be winning. lol. White DID win. I'd rather taka SHOOD than a DID! PLUS what about 22 . . . NA5? ?!?!?>

The Qb4 line was a forcing line, while Qe6 retains the Q and some play. Between a forcing line that leads to a worse or losing position and one that gives some chances of a better fight, the latter is preferable.

What 22...Na5 are you referring to? In my line that's not possible after 22.Bd2. If you mean 22...Na6 that would mean not just losing a game, but, perhaps, retiring from competitive chess.

Anayway, I'm replaying the game through my mobile so my analysis is superficial.

Aug-28-14
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  HeMateMe: Aronian not playing up to his rating, here. Maybe he thought the perpetual check was always there?
Aug-28-14  Pulo y Gata: <HeMateMe: Aronian not playing up to his rating, here. Maybe he thought the perpetual check was always there?>

He's so lucky he won.

Aug-28-14
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  Mating Net: What is a term for beyond dim? Ultra dim? If there is such a term, it surely applies to that Knight on a6. Send that nag to the glue factory, it gives new meaning to the term a Knight on the rim is dim.
Aug-29-14  posoo: Lolol mating. Knights on da margin are GARBUDGE
Aug-29-14  Refused: <Much better was to forse the queen exchange with 20... Qb4+ even though here as well after 21. Ka1 Kd7 white gets his main idea 22. d5 Qxd2 23. Rxd2 Nc7 24. dxc6+ Kc8 25. Rd7 Rxa5 26. Rxe7 Re8 27. Rxe8+ Nxe8 28. f5 gxf5 29. Bxh6 Ra4 30. Bd5 Nf6 but black should be able to win this endgame) [GM Alexander Delchev]>

<Pulo y Gata: <luzhin: After Topalov unaccountably failed to force a Q exchange by 20...Qb4+ he was horribly splattered. NEVER allow Aronian a big initiative....> Topalov surely didn't like the position after 20...Qb4 21.Qxb4 Nxb4 22.Bd2 Nd5 23.Bxd5 cxd5 24.c6! when White should be winning.>

Ahum, no?
Black says: <thanks for repairing my pawn structure and giving up your good Bishop.> takes his sweet time to get into a good set up (getting the rook on h8 to c8 to collect that pawn) and slowly but surely starts to grind down white's position when he feels he is ready.

Aug-29-14  Pulo y Gata: Refused, I haven't looked into it deeply but I'll take White after my given line. Black is nearly paralyzed despite his two rooks; his b-pawn is weak and its capture will further weaken his position because of white's passers. Care to give some lines so we can test it out by pure analysis?
Aug-29-14
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  offramp: <posoo: ... I'd rather taka SHOOD than a DID!>

I'm the opposite. I'd rather have the DIDthan the SHOOD since I believe that actuality precedes potentiality.

Aug-29-14  Ulhumbrus: <luzhin: After Topalov unaccountably failed to force a Q exchange by 20...Qb4+ he was horribly splattered. NEVER allow Aronian a big initiative....> On 20...Qb4+ the capture 21 Qxb4? gives Black's knight a tempo towards ...Nd5 after 21...Nxb4. Instead of this on 20...Qb4+ 21 Ka1 Qxd2 22 Bxd2 prevents 22...Nb4

Both Aronian and Topalov overlooked something. Aronian overlooked that Topalov could win the exchange while Topalov overlooked that Aronian would gain considerable compensation for it. Two bishops and a pawn is almost sufficient compensation for the exchange if other things are equal although White had an isolated a pawn and doubled h pawns

Aug-29-14  posoo: ALL anasis is superficial poologats. EXCEPT in frcing lines where it is elemuntary. Yet ANOTHER reason why da Posooian Scoring System should be adopted at tornaments!

ps lol offrump, differet strokes for differet fokes!

Aug-29-14  Pulo y Gata: Butt yoo hav too admut that evere posootion si enterested: thats y we analis. lolz
Aug-29-14  iamsheaf: Qb4+ was better
Aug-29-14  Capoue: @Pulo y Gata

I used my strongest engines to investigate the position after 20..., Qb4, but none of them represented a "should be winning" position. What is your detail to mention that?

Aug-29-14  Pulo y Gata: <Capoue> I haven't run an engine on it and so I can pretty well be wrong. I gave this line, a forcing one after 20...Qb4 21.Qxb4 Nxb4 22.Bd2 Nd5 23.Bxd5 cxd5 24.c6! as comment to <luzhin>'s recommendation (which, it turned out, was also pointed out by the Chessbase analyst).

I am not presenting myself, through that post, as absolute authority, I was, as in the good old days, presenting a human analysis and encouraging others to do the same. I looked at several lines (24.Ra6, 0-0, Kd8) after the 24.c6 but as I go through them I gradually understood that my initial assessment was too enthusiastic for white.

This method of analysis I enjoy and benefits me. :)

Sep-02-14  Memethecat: 14...Bxd4 15.exd4 e3 16.Bxe3 Qxh1 was a nice combo, I thought Topalov would've done better from there given the doubled h pawns & material advantage.

Pulo y Gata. Agreed, I get a lot more from games, enjoyment & learning, if I don't use an engine for the initial analysis. For good or bad 20...Qb4+ would've been my choice too. 21.Qxb4 Nxb4 22.Bd2 Nd5 or 21.Ka1 Qxd2 22.Bxd2 Rc8 both look ok prima facie.

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