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|Nov-14-14|| ||ptr: <Sally Simpson> At the start of the press conference, Anand said that he considered both 26. Kg2 and 26. Rc7. He ruled out 26. Kg2 because it of 26 ... f5, and then 27. Bxf7 becomes impossible because of 27 ... Kf6. Anand thought 26. Rc7 might be better, but then both he and Carlsen suggested 26 ... Rc8 27. Rc1 Rcd8 for black. It looks like neither player could find any way for white to break through, and I think it was a good practical decision for Anand to force the draw.|
|Nov-14-14|| ||fisayo123: <Tough to get an advantage against this super solid QID opening. But I like the 4..Ba6 line better because it makes White's DSB development awkward after 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7>|
White has various other options that don't make development akward at all, for example 5.Qa4.
Besides, black will have to lose a tempo playing his bishop back to b7 in many of these lines.
|Nov-14-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <JAMESROOK: However, when writing about Capa's death Alekhine did say that people asked him how he won and he was very honest - said he didn't know.>|
I hjave been thinking about this for some time now. There was not any phase of the game (except opening prep) in which Alekhine was better than Capablanca. Capablanca has often been stereotyped to be a positional rather than a tactical master. For those who have studied the early Capablanca, the one who was nuking it out with Marshall and other masters before and during WW1, it should be pretty clear that he was much more accurate than AAA in chess tactics. In fact, every time AAA tried to play tactically against Capa, Capa out-tacticked him crushingly. I would dare say that the early tactical Capa is the most accurate tactical player I have ever studied in chess history.
I would explain it now in two ways.
One, probabilities just went wrong for Capa in 1927. Say if pre-match, taking everything into consideration, AAA only had a 30% chance of winning the match, it just so happened that Caissa whimsically gave him those odds. After all he had a finite chance of winning even if small, and he did.
Two, Alekhine outpsyched Capablanca. How? Capa never expected such resistance, and did not expect AAA to do long endgame grinds against him, did not expect AAA battling out for every advantage in game after game for more than 30 games. After all before the match, Capa had won every decisive game they ever played, often in devastating fashion. He never had problems with Alekhine before and when Alekhine presented him with problems, Capa could not mentally handle it.
Three, like Alekhine, I don't know.
|Nov-14-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: It seems to me that Carlsen was for the first time in this match willingly simplifying into a dead draw. Anand on the other hand missed (voluntarily perhaps) opportunities to prolong and grind the game, which if it were Carlsen on the White side would have taken.|
|Nov-14-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi pts,
Never watch the after match chat - infact never been on the live site at all.
Was looking at the comments and most seemed to like Kg2 here.
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Was wondering why myself Anand never played it and perhaps he was dodging a slow bullet (a grind) due to 26.Kg2 a6.
If 26.Kg2 f5 then 27 Rxa7 looks OK the threat is back on with the Rook off e7 Kf6 is not a trick.
But I'll give Anand the benefit of the doubt. :)
"It seems to me that Carlsen was for the first time in this match willingly simplifying into a dead draw. "
And why not put this game quickly to bed. He has two Whites on the bounce to look forward too. Have a feeling the next two games will be critical.
|Nov-15-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Ulhumbrus: I would guess that Capablanca lost the match because, amongst other things, he did not keep physically fit or pay sufficient attention to his health.>|
I forgot about this theory, but it may also have been a factor. There are previous posts that claim Capablanca was going out with women and to nightclubs early in the match. If he did, he surely deserved to lose the match. It's well documented that Capa had the ill luck to suffer from familial hypertension, and I believe that he may have already been experiencing symptoms of vague discomforts even in 1924 when he got ill in New York 1924. Indulging in the night life, probably until the wee hours of the morning if he did so in the usual manner, in the middle of a world championship match probably would just exacerbate any symptoms and was the height of overconfidence. If he did he may well have been experiencing headaches by the end of the match. Note that from a previously trailing close score of 3 to 4, Capablanca lost two games at the end.
|Nov-15-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Sally Simpson> I was about to further explain that one of the things that may have shocked Capablanca in the 1927 match was that Alekhine made it a point to resist in every disadvantageous game that he had, and battle out every advantage all throughout that match, willing even to go into prolonged endgame grinds. |
Anand IMO should do the same. Anand is in a similar situation as Alekhine in 1927. He is faced with a positionally superior opponent, and one clearly stronger than him in endgames. Carlsen probably does not expect to be on the disadvantaged side of a long endgame grind. It could turn out to be a shocker for him if Anand plays out every game in which Anand has the advantage.
After having said that, Anand IMO is in a better situation than AAA in 1927. There is one phase of the game that IMO Anand is better at than Carlsen. Highly tactical middlegames, when tactics and the attack take precedent over positional weaknesses.
|Nov-15-14|| ||Chessmusings: Unique analysis of game 5
|Nov-15-14|| ||Chris321: Fact is this game and result might come back an bite Anand in the bum!.,maybe a win here for Anand could have given him the crown.Well considering that he got a healthy looking advantage at one stage(maybe never enough for a win!,But!...say he sacrificed a pawn even 2 earlier on to get the Rooks onto the 7th rank(if that was possible,but was it?),then the compensation would be clear,but maybe it was not possible and too risky and a draw was all there ever was anyway!.Trouble now is just that he is facing 2 whites in a row,where Carlsen will be surely going all out for at least 1 win in those two games!.It will be a tough thing to face because of age an pressure and so on!,but that's how the cookie crumble!,we will see exactly what stuff they are made of clearly!.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||iqbalianpawn: <diceman> <Why are they giving the same color twice?> hi. In the first half of match, Anand gets the first white and white after every rest day and then they reverse it in the second half. This is done in order to avoid giving an undue advantage to any one player by him having white after every rest day.. Hope that clarifies..|
|Nov-15-14|| ||SirRuthless: The more I look at it the more I think Anand never had a better try than either what he did or maybe going for the Rc7 line he suffested or Ra4, neither of which required Kg2. In the Kg2 line we have Kg2 Nc6! Rc7 Ne5 and if f4?! there is Ng4 targeting e3 forking K and rook next move and therefore winning the pawn on h2. It is black who is better in that line. Then we examine Kg2 Nc6 Rc7, Ne5 Rxa7 Rc6 and I think this is just a slightly better version of the game for white with the Q pawns still on the board but black is more active and with f5! begins to generate Ng3 -Rd2 ideas of his own. Interesting game with some theoretical significance. I think we will see this line essayed again soon but with the 17.d6!? push earlier on instead of Bxf.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||Pulo y Gata: <SirRuthless: It doesn't matter what the players stated. Anand didn't even try. I think Carlsen has momentum now. Carlsen never would have allowed such a liquidation if the shoe were on the other foot. Anand's timidity disgusts me sometimes. His lack of verve will be his undoing.>|
So knee-jerk, shallow reactions don't count now?
|Nov-15-14|| ||Raj Dey: 26.Rxa7?! not expected
26.Kg2 or 26.Rc8 would have proved a better fight for white.
|Nov-15-14|| ||Jaidip: Yesterday Anand's Nd5 was Brilliant. This Synthetic way of thinking Will be the sufficient reason for Carlsen to worry about.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||Chris321: < Jaidip >I agree Nd5 was very strong!...to me that shows that Anand ain't scared for Carlsen anymore!,and that alone (that fact not just that kind of move) should be enough to put Carlsen to thinking very carefully what he will play today and his general approach to this WC Match!,just my two cents.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||mrandersson: As much as I like alekhine and capa and how close and tight there world championship was it is in fact a long time ago now. |
Like in the film tron and the daft punks song “The game has changed” and now most ideas are computer based and have hours of study time.
You don’t need a Xeon E5-2699 any fast i5/i7 will give you super ideas and lines. Its a good reason why the top gms now have such high elos when you work with strong things you get better and learn from then.
|Nov-15-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <mrandersson> I disagree with your post totally from your implication that we can learn nothing from that match and your ideas about Elo ratings. My posts about that match and what Anand can learn from it are self explanatory and if you wish to see my views on Elo ratings, they are on my profile.|
|Nov-15-14|| ||956043: Even before 34. Bxe4 there doesn't seem to be a forced win for White. Maybe both players are saving something for the many games to follow?|
|Nov-16-14|| ||tranquilsimplicity: <956043> My take on this Championship which is related or a continuation of the drama between these two, that began last year is: there is nothing up the sleeves of either of them. Both Chess giants who are incredibly versatile and at home in all aspects of the game are afraid of each other. Carlsen more so than Anand in the first few games of their 2013 encounter. Carlsen it can be intuited, had adopted a "wait and see policy" opting not to play dynamically where Anand betters him slightly. Carlsen is positionally superior to Anand and thereby prefers to 'grind' Anand down as opposed to attacking Anand in the open, where Anand would be in his element. Carlsen has adopted this same strategy in 2014.|
Anand on the other hand approached the 2013 Championship timidly, opting to play quietly and solidly. But by the time Anand realised that playing dynamically against Carlsen in more promising, the 2013 Championship was over! In 2014, Anand has approached this Championship with a lot more confidence, attempting to impose his preferred dynamic style; but Carlsen's plan appears to be the same as last year's. "Play patiently, quietly, solidly. And if I get ahead, kill the game!". #
|Nov-18-14|| ||RookFile: 4. g3 was not obligatory in this game. 4. a3 is a well known system that might have been played instead.|
|Nov-19-14|| ||keypusher: <keypusher: 18.dxe6...Anand taking the air out of the position.>|
Always bracing to go back to old comments and see I had no idea what I was talking about.
|Nov-19-14|| ||SugarDom: <visayanbraindoctor: <JAMESROOK: However, when writing about Capa's death Alekhine did say that people asked him how he won and he was very honest - said he didn't know.>|
I hjave been thinking about this for some time now. There was not any phase of the game (except opening prep) in which Alekhine was better than Capablanca>.
It's opening prep of course. However, Alekhine is not humble enough to admit it.
|Nov-19-14|| ||SugarDom: <After having said that, Anand IMO is in a better situation than AAA in 1927. There is one phase of the game that IMO Anand is better at than Carlsen. Highly tactical middlegames, when tactics and the attack take precedent over positional weaknesses.>|
True, however Anand was not able to capitalized when the chance presented itself. That's why he's not going to regain the crown.
|Jan-01-15|| ||keypusher: < SugarDom: <visayanbraindoctor: <JAMESROOK: However, when writing about Capa's death Alekhine did say that people asked him how he won and he was very honest - said he didn't know.>
I hjave been thinking about this for some time now. There was not any phase of the game (except opening prep) in which Alekhine was better than Capablanca>.|
It's opening prep of course. However, Alekhine is not humble enough to admit it.>
That's absurd. Look at the games.
|Jul-26-15|| ||joddon: problem here is world champions like Anand usually kill off their opponents who linger off, or become extremely tired after a queen side defence exchange and off the wing attacks.....what comes next is a king side pawn attack with the king and a knight or bishop or rook to help.....tempo becomes very dull.however magnus like no other does not lose anything....instaed of Anand capitalizing on draws ...he instead gets discouraged because magnus has a corner that keeps his endgame tempo in shape.......China is the same way....they help win where others LOSE...their corner will eyes the board and their own player so they don't BLUNDER!! its a 2 on 1 situation.....5 on 1 vs ANAND...that's why he loses the WORLD TITLES and will lose it everytime...look at any other king side endgame in history,something goes terribly wrong....so why not in todays world!! u have to have a brain to know there is some kind of CHEATING going on.|
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