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Magnus Carlsen vs Viswanathan Anand
Carlsen - Anand World Championship Match (2014), Sochi RUS, rd 9, Nov-20
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-20-14  Petrosianic: <Carlsen is just trying to win the match, not satisfy fans.>

Actually, considering the difficulty they had getting sponsors for this match, I'd be surprised if pleasing the fans didn't figure into Carlsen's thinking at all.

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  ajk68: Why not 16...Kg8, backing into the corner? The rook can deploy via h6 and maybe over g6. Black has the bishop pair. Pawn structure is worse for black, but maybe a candidate for a queen side pawn storm.
Nov-20-14  Pulo y Gata: Carlsen played for 122 moves in a known draw. Now he plays how many moves with so many pieces no wonder people are wondering. And what's this argument about going online not costing us money? What, your ISP is free? Time is free? Our golden nuggets of wisdom and crap, separately or put together, are free? That's ridiculous.

And some people wonder why chess isn't so attractive with wider audience when here we are wishing to gag every other's opinion.

The fans are important in almost any game. Surely the players and sponsors know that. What, the fans don't know that themselves? That's quite sad.

Nov-20-14  latvalatvian: The Berlin defence is a very exciting opening. I jump for joy whenever I see it. The king's gambit or the elephant gambit, on the other hand, makes me yawn over and over.
Nov-20-14  MarkFinan:    chancho: <When you win the championship, you're free to defend as you choose.. until then... Within the rules, do what it takes to win!> Wow, a post that is eminently logical.

*rubbing my eyes*

I must have stumbled into an oasis.


Oh contraire, Chanchorino.. (?? Lol).

I look at it this way.

My beloved great football club BCFC need the win (3 points) to get promotion to division 1. We're playing a slightly weaker team at home, the glorious 'Valley Parade!'. There's 3 games left to win the 3 points. *if* we didn't go balls out for the win we'd get booed and rightly so, because we'd be making our fans suffer by having to rely on playing 2 tricky looking away games in which we might draw both (that's 2 points to you non football fans) and miss out on the promised land.

That's the way I see Carlsen and this game.

Nov-20-14  chesstones: <latvalatvian: The Berlin defence is a very exciting opening. I jump for joy whenever I see it. The king's gambit or the elephant gambit, on the other hand, makes me yawn over and over.>

I find it's pretty gay without the queens, but hey each to their own.

Nov-20-14  1d410: Anand may play d4 next game. What's an exciting defence Magnus can play. Maybe the KID? the Dutch?
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  kbob: It must be obvious to everyone but me, but at the end what happens if NxB? Larry Christiansen blithely announced that pxN repairs black's pawns, but doesn't g4 then kick the knight? And after NxN white still has his kingside pawn majority.
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  kbob: To answer my own question, I guess if white snatches the d pawn at the end black will penetrate too quickly on the d file with his rooks
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  HeMateMe: Pretty limp draw. I say it's a win for Anand. He gets white the next game.
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  HeMateMe: Pretty limp draw. I say it's a win for Anand. He gets white the next game.
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  Fusilli: < chancho: People were pissed that Carlsen played for 122 moves to a draw, and now they are pissed he played 20 moves to a draw. Aaaah, you gots to enjoy der hilarity in dis here site.>

If I lecture on what's in the book, the students complain that there's no reason to go to class. If I lecture on something else, they complain that why they had to read the book if I don't care about it. If I do a mix of both, they say I should make up my mind about what's important.

Carlsen got it easy. ;)

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  Penguincw: Imagine if Anand won Game 6. This game would be anything but a short draw.
Nov-20-14  you vs yourself: <Penguincw> That's because Carlsen is stronger than Anand at the moment. So, it's natural for Carlsen to go for a win with either color. But if you are Anand and are facing a player better than you, playing for a win with white is a better strategy. Luckily for Anand, in sport, stronger player doesn't always win if you play it smart.

With Magnus, we are talking about a player who in general is playing at a higher level than anyone in history. Anand is lucky he's only one game away from tying the match with 2 white games out of 3 games left.

Nov-21-14  RookFile: Carlsen must have analyzed the position up to 20. Ng5 with computers before the game even started. A draw is not a bad play, evidently he wants to rest for his next game with black.
Nov-21-14  dunkenchess: Draw all the way and win.
Nov-21-14  956043: I guess both sides got what they wanted from the game. Carlsen is cruising towards a successful defence and Anand hasn't ever pushed for anything with Black. Expect fireworks in the next game!
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  kevin86: In the fabled 1972 match, fischer coasted with 7 draws in a row after winning game 13. The eighth game would have been a draw also, but Spassky blundered and called in his resignation of game and match.
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  Everett: Spassky had heavy pressure on the challenger in many of those games. No one was coasting then.
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  perfidious: <kevin86> might do well to review games 14-20 from Fischer-Spassky, as both players showed their class while fighting to a standstill. Pure heavyweight stuff and well worth a look, unlike many of the draws Spassky turned out later in his career.
Nov-21-14  Chessmusings: A roadmap to playing the Berlin Defense according to Anand and Carlsen:
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  kevin86: I do not disagree, they were NOT draws for draw sake, they were good fighting draws. with Spassky being turned away from a few wins. What I do stay is that some of the steam was taken away from Spassky after his game 13 blunder killed his hope for a comeback draw. not to mention his horrid mistake in game five.
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  perfidious: <kevin86> That blunder hurt, but Spassky, as I noted, showed what he was made of by carrying the fight to his redoubtable opponent the rest of the way. Had he faced one of his 2650 colleagues of the time, in my opinion Spassky might have booked at least one or two wins from games 14-20, but Fischer was simply too tough, not to mention three points ahead at the time.
Nov-22-14  john barleycorn: <perfidious: <kevin86> That blunder hurt, but Spassky, as I noted, showed what he was made of by carrying the fight... >

Yep. After 1:20

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  Richard Taylor: <keypusher: <Richard Taylor> Thanks for these interesting posts. One thing -- Anand has beaten Carlsen in classical before. But before Game 3, he hadn't done it since 2010.>

Thanks. Yes I thought he may have then. Since about 2011 Anand didn't look as formidable, and indeed also Topalov started to decline, and poor old Ivanchuk (Anand's friend) nearly gave up...Gelfand made a late charge which was great as he is or has been one of the great dynamic players....

Either Anand is now in a temporary lull (in some ways it could be seen that in fact he is making progress as he has closed the gap so to speak and Carlsen, in himself, still clearly has a great respect for Anand) but on the other hand he could do a Kasparov (apparently he is continuing, that makes sense in one way as it is the game he loves and he could even regain the title.

One scenario, Carlsen is unseated by another younger player who doesn't suit Carlsen but suits Anand and Anand may then find he is able to regain the championship. That is a fighting approach. So any thing can happen. The longer Carlsen sits at the top the more of a target he becomes.

On the other hand, the more time he has to play and study and possibly (probably) improve. I feel for Anand at the moment. It is a terrible thing to lose at chess, but I think Carlsen is a deserving winner. That doesn't mean he is inherently the better player. That is always arguable.

But he is both quite likable and one of the strongest chess players in the history of the game.

(And I could also be talking about Anand.)

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