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Ding Liren vs Magnus Carlsen
Tata Steel Masters (2015), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 12, Jan-24
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Fianchetto Defense (D37)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jan-24-15  lost in space: Yes, the draw was an alternative
Jan-24-15  chessdgc2: cg.com: Thanks for the broadcast!
Jan-24-15
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  chancho: Magnus is closing in on the tournament win, slowly, but surely.

Tomorrow he has White against Saric.

Saric is in for a beating.

Payback for the Olympiad.

Jan-24-15
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  Domdaniel: Not a bad game at all. Now all I have to do is get the song "Dingly Dell" out of my head...
Jan-24-15
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  chancho: Ding tried to ping Carlsen, but the Norwegian would have none of it.
Jan-24-15  kellmano: Yasser has his work cut out here :-)

Ding's English is very good, but he seems awfully timid.

Jan-24-15
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  Gypsy: <Domdaniel: Not a bad game at all. Now all I have to do is get the song "Dingly Dell" out of my head...>

Try 'Ding dong, the witch is dead...'
Or would it be replacing a wedge with a wedge?

Jan-24-15  Marmot PFL: Ding was bit timid at the board too, avoiding the complicated lines like 16 f3. He was content to draw with the world champion.
Jan-24-15
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  chancho: All players when they sit down to play the big enchilada don't want to lose.

A draw is a good result, man!

Jan-24-15  kellmano: <Marmot> He explained why he didn't play f3, and it was a line they didn't consider in the commentary. No idea if he was right - given that people are saying f3 was clearly much better I assume the computers say so.
Jan-24-15
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  Gypsy: Ding had the more comfortable game throughout. Carlsen walked the equalization tightrope till the end. But it he always had an out.
Jan-24-15  kellmano: I teach mainly Chinese people and I'd say Ding is very typically Chinese. As a Westerner, when you first encounter this personality type it seems a bit strange, but after a while you realise they are just as interesting as other people. I think it's a manifestation of being very well mannered.
Jan-24-15
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  keypusher: Could anyone post some of the lines after 16.f3? I honestly don't see why it doesn't win out of hand.
Jan-24-15  kellmano: <keypusher> the commentators at the time were saying .....g5, but in the post game conference Ding said he didn't seriously consider that as it looks too weakening. He was worried about a line starting with Bxb5 (sorry can't remember the rest).
Jan-24-15
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  beenthere240: Ding had a nice drawing combination that avoided an 80 move snoozer.
Jan-24-15  Marmot PFL: <Could anyone post some of the lines after 16.f3? I honestly don't see why it doesn't win out of hand.>

I didn't think it won, but it caused black more problems than what was played. Probably Magnus had a way out but who knows if he finds it.

Jan-24-15
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  Eyal: <He explained why he didn't play f3, and it was a line they didn't consider in the commentary. No idea if he was right - given that people are saying f3 was clearly much better I assume the computers say so.>

Yeah - 16.f3! Bxb5 17.Nxb5 (17.Bxb5? Nc3) 17...a6 18.Nc7 b5 and here he missed 19.Nxe6! where after the forcing sequence 19...Rxc4 20.Rxc4 bxc4 21.Nxf8 Nc3 22.Qxc4 Qxb4 23.Qxb4 Bxb4 24.Nxh7 Kxh7 25.Be5! (preventing 25...Bc5) White should have good winning chances (at least considerably better than in the game).

Jan-24-15
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  keypusher: <Eyal> Thanks -- there was a lot more going on than I realized!
Jan-24-15
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  keypusher: Now why not 24.Bxh7+ Kxh7 (right?) 25.Rxe7?
Jan-24-15
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  Fusilli: <keypusher: Now why not 24.Bxh7+ Kxh7 (right?) 25.Rxe7?>

I don't know...it looks like a free pawn to me.

Jan-24-15
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  Eyal: <Now why not 24.Bxh7+ Kxh7 (right?) 25.Rxe7?>

After 25...Rc8! (with the threat of Rc1+), Black basically has enough counterplay either to force a draw by perpetual or to win back the pawn. For example, 26.Qf1 axb4 27.axb4 Qd2 - forcing the white rook to retreat in order to defend against Rc1 and winning the b pawn; or 26.Rc7 Rxc7 27.Nxc7 Qc6 28.Nb5 axb4 29.axb4 Qc1+ 30.Qf1 Qd2 31.Qb1+ g6 32.h3 (32.g3 Ng4 33.Qf1 Qxb4) 32...Nd5 33.Qb3 (to salvage the b pawn) Qc1+ 34.Kh2 Qf4+ and White has to allow perpetual or give up the b pawn with 35.Qg3; or 26.h3 axb4 27.axb4 Rc1+ 28.Kh2 Qf5 (with the idea of Qf4+) 29.g4 Qb1 (or 29.Qe3 Qb1; 29.g3 Rc2; 29.Rxf7 Qf4+ 30.g3 Ng4+ & Qxf7).

Jan-26-15  ex0duz: What's interesting is that if Ding had won this game, then he would have came clear first instead of coming 5th.. and IIRC, Magnus himself said that his position was 'suspicious' at certain points(not sure which move/position he considered it to be that, but that's what the report on chessbase said). Does anyone have a concrete line that leads to an advantage for white? Maybe not winning outright, but maybe a slight/solid advantage(ie positional or material)..?

Such a close finish to what was undeniably one of the most exciting editions of the Tata Steel Tournament in recent years..

Jan-26-15  Nf8: <Does anyone have a concrete line that leads to an advantage for white?>

<Eyal> already gave it, on this very page.

Jan-26-15  ex0duz: Ahh yeah i forgot about f3. Thanks.
Jun-16-15  dumbgai: And following this game Carlsen hired Ding as one of his seconds.
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