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|Mar-09-15|| ||paavoh: I went with the more materialistic, less flashy Qd8 camp. Perhaps this was a test for personality traits as well.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Penguincw: My very first instinct was to give a bishop sac, but then I realized it was Monday. Black doesn't have a queen, so white can give up there's in exchange for the king. Or simply Qd8+ Ne8 and mate.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||TheaN: Monday 9 March 2015 <17.?>|
<17.Qd8+ Ne8 18.Rxe8# 1-0>?
For the first time in history even a Monday position surprises me. Not worth of Qe8+, and I actually missed white is up the queen, instead of truly sacrificing her.
<agb: White is slightly ahead in material (Q+B).
Black is probably threatening to provoke a deadly jaw-dislocating yawn.>
I laughed hard at both.
|Mar-09-15|| ||TheaN: What the heck was up with 11....Qf6? I enjoy speculative pieces sacrificing, but that pushes it. It's basically a helpmate in 7. Lets see how quick Stockfish finds a mate after 11....Qf6 :).|
|Mar-09-15|| ||TheaN: After 7 minutes it was still on only +14, but I'll take it nonetheless.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Oxspawn: I thought the position must be a mistake and that black had a queen on c6 - but, so long as you choose 17 Qe8, it makes no difference to the outcome.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Phony Benoni: <Addel Irada> Looking at Martin's other games, I suspect that "win" over a Master -- which has no moves attached -- was a forfeit. I would put his rating in general below 1000.|
Even so, 11...Qf6 is so awful (How awful is it? It's so awful that it couldn't be an example in <How Not To Play Chess>.) that I normally would put it down as a score error. Thing is, as the game goes, I can't find an reasonable substitute.
Normally, I would call for this game to be removed from the database, but now that it's enshrined in my Puzzle collections I suppose it has to stay.
|Mar-09-15|| ||Oxspawn: Here is a theory. Black went for his coffee cup but on the way touched the queen so had to move it. He realised that 11. Qe7 was a terrible move, but had no other legal move that did not lead to the queen being taken. Moving to g5 or h4 looks like a complete oversight – “I didn’t know your horsey thing could move like that”, so Qf6 was an act of bravado – “good heavens, he must being seeing something I can’t see.” A bluff dressed up as a blunder on the back of a clumsy gesture (in short, a “clumber”.) Any idea how long it took white to play 12. exf6?|
|Mar-09-15|| ||dfcx: I went for 17.Qe8, then started counting and found white was up a queen and bishop, and next found Qd8.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||gawain: An odd one. I admit that I did not notice that white could force the mate with the queen-preserving Qd8+ as well as with Qe8+. That is kind of nifty.|
But the first thing I noticed was that W was up a queen. That certainly takes all of the urgency out of finding that special winning combination!
|Mar-09-15|| ||Oxspawn: "don't choose Qe8", I meant. Gadzooks!|
|Mar-09-15|| ||TheTamale: The real challenge of this puzzle is envisioning how Black could fall prey to a back rank mate after only 16 moves. Then you play the game over, and the real question is "What took so long?"|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Bubo bubo: White is already a whole queen (!) up, and he mates in two with 17.Qd8+ Ne8 18.Qxe8#/Rxe8# or 17.Qe8+ Nxe8 18.Rxe8#.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: Black's position is so bad that i failed to see that black is not only a queen up, but also a minor piece (a bishop) up. |
Quite a feat for mere 16 moves.
|Mar-09-15|| ||AvidChessMan: I also quickly noticed the missing black queen. I'd say the challenging part of this puzzle is trying to figure out 11...Qf6. Was Victor Alonso Martin playing this game blind???|
|Mar-09-15|| ||BOSTER: Maybe the < f6> square on the chessboard is not the best to <give up> the queen, but some players like it.
click for larger view
Black to play.
|Mar-09-15|| ||kevin86: Mate in two, with OR without the queen sac.
A POOR Monday puzzle.
What was black's ranking points: 50?
|Mar-09-15|| ||Marmot PFL: This game might make the "worst of the site" list (although competition is stiff).|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Clodhopper: Finally, not just a problem I can solve, but a game I might have played!!|
|Mar-09-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: VAM has to be the worst player in history.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Diademas: Since white is up a queen and a bishop, I tried to find a move that did not win for white. I could not find any.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Marmot PFL: Black has 31 (if i counted right) legal moves on move 11, and 28 are great improvements over what he played. He did at least get a pawn for the queen.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||Edeltalent: DATABASE CORRECTION FORM
RE: L Lalla vs V A Martin, 2005
Nature of the error (check all that apply):
[x] The quality of this game is very poor
|Mar-09-15|| ||Castleinthesky: This was a "sight puzzle," one I got as soon as I looked at it. It's always good to know there is someone worse than you, as there are so many more who are better.|
|Mar-09-15|| ||offramp: My theory is that black was thinking about 11...f6 12.exf6 and then 12...Qxf6. He might have accidentally transposed moves.|
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