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Viswanathan Anand vs Levon Aronian
Zurich Chess Challenge (2015), Zurich SUI, rd 3, Feb-16
Gruenfeld Defense: Russian. Prins Variation (D97)  ·  1-0

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Feb-15-15  IndianFan: Anand=Aronian

either Anand wins through prep

or commits a horrible 1-3 move blunder and loses.

Feb-15-15
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  whiteshark: Pitty that Aronian forget his analysis after 19.d7. Anand also said that <19...Nc7> would have kept the balance but black has to find three 'only moves' thereafter.
Feb-15-15
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  patzer2: Fritz 12 indicates Black's best defense is 19...Nc7! when play might continue 20. h3 Nf6 21. Ne5 Nxd7 22. Nc6 Qe8 23. Bf3 Ne5 24. Qxc7 Nxf3+ 25. gxf3 Bxh3 26. Ne7+ Kg7 .
Feb-15-15
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  whiteshark: <patzer2> After your (Fritz 12) moves <19...Nc7 20. h3 Nf6 21. Ne5 Nxd7>


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white has the better <22.Nxf7! Kxf7 23.Qb3+ Kg7 24.Qxa4>


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= / with equal chances

Feb-15-15  IndianFan: It is now clear that Aronian doesn't have what it takes, nor Karjakin, nor Caruana.

Naka can go up against Carlsen like Fischer against Spassky - he had never beaten Spassky before their World Championship match.

Giri on the other hand has a good record, but would likely crack in a match with Carlsen.

I don't take So so seriously.

Naka-Carslen would be epic.

Feb-15-15  RookFile: It's not the same. Fischer won almost every tournament he played in. If he had a bad tournament, he finished second. Naka hasn't reached that level yet.
Feb-15-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <IndianDunce: It is now clear that Aronian doesn't have what it takes, nor Karjakin, nor Caruana.>

That great pundit has spoken.

Why should any of these elite players bother? <IndianDunce> will take over the chess world soon.

Feb-15-15  bennyvsfischer: wow...the tiger speak...
Feb-16-15  NBAFan: I don't think Aronian's idea of 20Bc6 and 21Bxd7 was sound. After Anand regained his bishop his rooks were simply too active.
Feb-16-15
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Please forgive the dumb question, but when did Prins ever play the Prins Variation of the Grunfeld? Couldn't find any games in the database; indeed, he seemed inordinately fond of developing his QN on c3, in front of the c7 pawn.
Feb-16-15  SimonWebbsTiger: @<AnEnglishan>

According to Bill Hartston, in his book on the Grnfeld, Prins introduced 7...Na6 in 1940. Checking Kasparov's book on his matches v. Karpov 1986-7, the stem game was Kmoch-Prins, Amsterdam 1940.

Feb-16-15  latvalatvian: I find chess completely irrational. I've taken up knitting.
Feb-16-15  latvalatvian: It's a myth to say that Anand prepared this line. Before this game Anand didn't even know the Grunfeld existed. There are too many conspiracy theories floating around.
Feb-16-15  Kinghunt: Reminds me a lot of their first round game in the last Candidates. Once again, Aronian walks straight into heavy preparation from Anand and the game is over before it begins.
Feb-16-15  MarkFinan: <IndianFan: It is now clear that Aronian doesn't have what it takes, nor Karjakin, nor Caruana.>

With the exception of Aronian I've been saying that for ages, got called a troll because I couldn't put my finger on exactly what they're missing to be the WCC..

<Naka can go up against Carlsen like Fischer against Spassky - he had never beaten Spassky before their World Championship match.>

Don't be silly. One promising tournament and he's Carlsen's Spassky!?

<Giri on the other hand has a good record, but would likely crack in a match with Carlsen.>

Everyone cracks against Carlsen, he's got nerves of steel.

<I don't take So so seriously.>

I do. But he's still a long way away from a serious shot at the WCC.

<Naka-Carslen would be epic.>

Been saying that for 2 or 3 years, but Nakamura wouldn't do as well as Anand has against Carlsen. I think there's a gap between Anand and the rest, let alone Carlsen and the others.

Feb-16-15  latvalatvian: These chess players are upright moral beings who follow the iron bound principles of Steinitz. They do not have to prepare anything because Steinitz's principles are easy to remember. Without the great a mighty Steinitz these players wouldn't even know the rules of chess.
Feb-16-15  IndianFan: <MarkFinan> My assessments are based only partly on results. Only Naka can bring electricity to the chessboard in a hypothetical match-up with Carlsen. And if they go into it with a total wipe-out in the history-books in favor of Carlsen, the heat would be more on Carlsen, since "all streaks come to an end".
Feb-16-15
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  keypusher: <Indian Fan>

<Naka can go up against Carlsen like Fischer against Spassky - he had never beaten Spassky before their World Championship match.>

Is this going to be a thing on cg.com now? OK. Fischer had played a grand total of five games against Spassky over a decade before the match, and of course from 1970 on he dominated the game, winning every event he played in and having the highest rating in the world by a mile.

Carlsen and Nakamura have played nearly 30 times, nearly all in the past five years, and as we all know Nakamura has zero wins. It's a probative sample. Nakamura is #5 in the live ratings right now. Carlsen is #1 and has been for some time.

It's going to take more than a couple of good tournaments to make Nakamura a serious rival to Carlsen. Comparing him to Fischer is just silly.

Feb-17-15
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <SimonWebbsTiger>, thanks for the research, but the only Kmoch-Prins 1940 game in the database (Kmoch vs Prins, 1940) is a different Grunfeld. Pretty spectacular one, though. Must be a second game out there somewhere.
Feb-17-15  SimonWebbsTiger: @<AnEnglishmen>

Kasparov gave the continuation of that Kmoch-Prins, Amsterdam 1940 game as 7...Na6 8. Be2 c5 9. dxc5 Be6! 10. Qb5 Rc8!

btw, Karpov chose 9. d5 v. Garry in the 19th match game, London/Leningrad 1986. One of the many great features of the whole series of GK books (My Great Predecessors, On Modern Chess, On Kasparov) is the detailed discussion of openings, both with re. to subtlties/ideas and game references.

I, too, can only presume that Amsterdam 1940 tourney saw the players meet in mini-matches but that's a question best asked of the Biographer Bistro crew!

Feb-17-15  ChessYouGood: I have video annotated this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=per...
Feb-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: <MarkFinan> Exactly! Its not a matter of "There's Carlsen, then there's the rest". More accurate is "There's Carlsen, then there's Anand, then there's all the rest"

When Anand got knocked off the top of the mountain, he didn't exactly go tumbling down the hill side. He just landed on the next ledge, still above the others

*****

Feb-19-15  Rascal Nikov: What Anand does at the age of 46 is just phenomenal.
Feb-19-15  bennyvsfischer: anand take back is piece in a nice way...
Feb-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <RookFile: It's not the same. Fischer won almost every tournament he played in...>

...And then invented penicillin while rescuing children from that burning orphanage.

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