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Fabiano Caruana vs Magnus Carlsen
Norway Chess (2015), Stavanger NOR, rd 2, Jun-17
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1-0

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Jun-17-15  Herma48852: <hcgflynn: How about 23. - fxe6? Is it better than Bxa3?>

Following up from <1-2-3-4 and John Barleycorn> 24. Be7!! (threatening Rd8#) Bxe7 25. Nxe7+ Kb8 26. Nxg8 and Blacks White bishop cannot recapture N/g8 due to Rd8# again.

This has to be one of the daily puzzles .. too beautiful not to revisit again.

Jun-17-15  Mating Net: <All that "knights better than bishops" stuff is only for hoi-polloi> True dat <offramp>.
Jun-17-15  John Abraham: nice display from Caruana.
Jun-18-15
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  HeMateMe: Ich nicht bin ein Berliner.
Jun-18-15
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  perfidious: <HMM> Glad to know you are not a jelly doughnut; for that is how the late JFK referred to himself in his statement.
Jun-18-15  Rolfo: Whatever grammar, JFK's words worked. Go chess
Jun-18-15  FreemiumMember: USA! USA!
Jun-18-15
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  HeMateMe: Ich bin ein Bismark? I'm pretty sure JFK didn't say that...?
Jun-18-15
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  FSR: <Jambow> Interesting theory. Maybe Caruana actually relishes playing against the Berlin and is trying to bait his opponents into playing it.
Jun-18-15  BOSTER: < jambow: Caruana does rather well against the Berlin>. But considering only the games vs <elite players> he had only 50% (without game vs Carlsen).
Jun-19-15  Jambow: <BOSTER> 50% is slightly better than 1 in 10 if my calculations are correct? Now this one too. He has wins in an opening many consider drawn.

No matter the kid can play chess.

Jun-19-15  BOSTER: < jambow: No matter the kid can play chess>. Beautiful chess.
Jun-19-15  Lupara: <Jambow> and <BOSTER>, according to the CG database (and if I counted accurately), in classical time games (no blitz, rapid or tiebreak games) Caruana is +11 -2 =20 (63.6 %) against the Berlin Defense when playing the White pieces.

If you include blitz, rapid and tiebreak games, he is +15 -4 =23 (63.1 %).

See:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

and

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Jun-19-15  jerseybob: <FSR: Maybe Caruana actually relishes playing against the Berlin and is trying to bait his opponents into playing it.> If only Kasparov had had that attitude when he played Kramnik in 2000!
Jun-20-15  shintaro go: Caruana crushes Carlsen convincingly
Jun-21-15  bien pensant: A crush is always convincing.
Jun-28-15  sfm: <bien pensant: A crush is always convincing.> LOL!
Aug-10-15
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  gezafan: <Lupara: <Jambow> and <BOSTER>, according to the CG database (and if I counted accurately), in classical time games (no blitz, rapid or tiebreak games) Caruana is +11 -2 =20 (63.6 %) against the Berlin Defense when playing the White pieces.

If you include blitz, rapid and tiebreak games, he is +15 -4 =23 (63.1 %).>

Caruana's record against the Berlin is pretty good.

The Berlin is a tough nut to crack. Kasparov couldn't do it in his world championship match against Kramnik.

What is it about Caruana's styles that makes him so effective against this defense?

Caruana's a great player, of course, but so are those he's playing against.

Apr-07-16  Imran Iskandar: <perfidious: <HMM> Glad to know you are not a jelly doughnut; for that is how the late JFK referred to himself in his statement.>

This was said a long time ago, but it is a widely believed misconception that 'Ich bin win Berliner' meant a jelly doughnut.

Mar-28-18  Garech: Is this Caruana's most recent win against Carlsen at classical time controls?
Jul-02-21  cplyakap: <Garech: Is this Caruana's most recent win against Carlsen at classical time controls?>

Yes. Since then for 6 years, no classical win for Caruana against Carlsen. Since that game, both players played 34 classical games between them. In those 34 games, there are 4 Carlsen wins and 30 draws.

Sep-27-22
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  PawnSac: <FSR: <<Ulhumbrus>> Caruana wins a lot more than once out of 10 games against the Berlin.>

+35 -17 =31

I'd say that's a pretty good score

Sep-27-22
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  PawnSac: and my count includes rapid and blitz
Sep-27-22
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  PawnSac: < gezafan: The Berlin is a tough nut to crack. Kasparov couldn't do it in his world championship match against Kramnik. What is it about Caruana's style that makes him so effective against this defense? Caruana's a great player, of course, but so are those he's playing against. >

Berlin C67

There are 2,486 games in the database. 434 were played prior to the 2000 WCC match. The remaining 2,052 games were played after. Not all of the 434 were posted on CG in 2000. So the bottom line is.. There is a ton of material, theory, and GM praxis that the current top players can draw upon.

As for Caruana's "style".. He is more reserved, patient, and willing to plod along with longwinded tactical/positional maneuvering, whereas Kasparov's temperament was more aggressive, looking for fireworks, and so forth.

these factors are at least a good part of the explanation i think

Sep-28-22
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  FSR: <perfidious: <HMM> Glad to know you are not a jelly doughnut; for that is how the late JFK referred to himself in his statement.>

This is debunked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_b...

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