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Magnus Carlsen vs Hikaru Nakamura
Norway Chess (2015), Stavanger NOR, rd 6, Jun-22
Queen's Gambit Declined: Lasker Defense (D56)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jun-22-15  sfm: Earlier I found it hard to evaluate rook endgames. [I still do, but it was also the case earlier] However - this one is a draw, and an offer will come within the next 7 moves. Certainly!
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  Penguincw: Carlsen putting in work! The 2nd longest game this tournament (after this), is now this: Carlsen vs A Giri, 2015 (76 moves).
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Stockfish says that black could have drawn by exchanging rooks on move 76. Really?
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  Penguincw: This game is drawn! Nakamura held on to the endgame well, as Carlsen tried to make something out of nothing, but Nakamura holds!
Jun-22-15  sfm: It is clear that topaluck is needed to win this. Time to shake hands.
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  WannaBe: Almost an epic game... Too bad bookie didn't have Epic Game Bet propositions.
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  pawn to QB4: <black could have drawn by exchanging rooks on move 76. Really?> Yes, if I were White I'd assume my opponent had cracked up if he played that. But looking at it I see the white K getting to d5, the black to d7 and I don't see how to make progress. Interesting spot though, Gregor. Thanks.
Jun-22-15  Marmot PFL: Can't believe they are still playing this.
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  whiteshark: Game Collection: 10_R+P(4:3)|| on the same wing

--> Game Collection: 11_R+P (3:2)|| on the same wing

--> Game Collection: 14_R+P (2:1) on the same wing - no passed pawn

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  Jambow: Ok finally a draw. Sorta a victory for Nakamura to hold but it wasn't a difficult position for a top GM.
Jun-22-15  SirRuthless: Nakamura knew this was a drawn endgame as soon as Carlsen went 34.Nd4 The rest was simply Carlsen attempting to save face to the Norwegian media.

The world Champion remains on -2 at the bottom of the table with Hammer and Grischuk while the Kvakka remains at +2 in a T-2 position with Vishy Anand.

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  pawn to QB4: Anyone who thinks this is easy to draw against a top GM should take a look at this from about move 40. Piket vs Kasparov, 2000 . If Kasparov can lose them, you might as well test anybody's technique.
Jun-22-15  bobthebob: Easy draw for Nakamura as black.
Jun-22-15  SirRuthless: Nakamura said he just needed not to play it like Kasparov and otherwise it was a simple draw from move 34 on.
Jun-22-15  jdc2: Do you trust engine endgame analysis? My Stockfish says that Carlsen should have played 59.Kd5 instead of 59.Ke5, with queening at move 153 and checkmate at move 171!

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59. Kd5 Ra5+ 60. Kd4 Ra4+ 61. Ke3 Kf8 62. Rc7 Ra8 63. Kd3 Rd8+ 64. Ke2 Re8 65. e5 Ra8 66. Kf3 Ra3+ 67. Kf2 Ra2+ 68. Kg3 Ra3+ 69. Kg4 Re3 70. Rb7 Ra3 71. Rb4 Ke7 72. Rb6 Ra4 73. Rf6 Rb4 74. Kf3 Rb3+ 75. Ke4 Rb4+ 76. Kd3 Rb3+ 77. Kd4 Rb4+ 78. Kc3 Re4 79. Kd2 Rb4 80. Ke3 Rb3+ 81. Kf2 Rd3 82. Ra6 Kf8 83. Ra7 Rb3 84. Ke2 Rb2+ 85. Kd3 Rb3+ 86. Kd4 Rb4+ 87. Ke3 Rb3+ 88. Kf2 Rb8 89. Ra6 Rb3 90. Rf6 Kg7 91. Ke2 Rb4 92. Kf3 Rb3+ 93. Kg4 Ra3 94. Rd6 Kf8 95. Rd1 Re3 96. Rc1 Ra3 97. Rc8+ Kg7 98. Rd8 Ra7
99. Kh4 Ra4 100. Kg3 Ra3+ 101. Kf2 Rc3 102. Ra8 Rb3 103. Kg2 Rc3 104. Ra7 Kf8 105. Rb7 Ra3 106. Kf2 Ra2+ 107. Kf3 Rh2 108. Ke3 Rh3+ 109. Ke4 Rh4 110. e6 fxe6 111. Ke5 Rg4 112. Rh7 Kg8 113. Re7 Kf8 114. Rxe6 Kf7 115. Rf6+ Kg7 116. Rb6 Kf7 117. Rb7+ Kg8 118. Rc7 Kh8 119. Rc8+ Kg7 120. Rb8 Kf7 121. Rb3 Kg8 122. Rb7 Kh8 123. Re7 Kg8 124. Rd7 Kh8 125. Rd4 Kg7 126. Rc4 Kf7 127. Ra4 Kg7 128. Ke6 Rh4 129. Rb4 Rg4 130. Rc4 Rh4 131.Rc7+ Kf8 132. Kf6 Rxf4+ 133. Kxg6 Rg4 134. Rf7+ Ke8 135. Ra7 Rc4 136. Kg7 Rc8 137. g6 Rc2 138. Ra8+ Ke7 139. Rh8 Rg2 140. Kh7 Kf6 141. Rf8+ Ke7 142. g7 Rh2+ 143. Kg8 Rg2 144. Ra8 Rh2 145. Ra7+ Ke8 146. Ra5 Ke7 147. Re5+ Kd6 148. Kf7 Rf2+ 149. Ke8 Rg2 150. Re7 Kd5 151. Kf8 Rf2+ 152. Rf7 Rb2 153. g8=Q Rb8+ 154. Kg7 Rxg8+ 155. Kxg8 Ke5 156. Re7+ Kd5 157. Kf7 Kd6 158. Kf6 Kd5 159. Rd7+ Kc5 160. Rd8 Kc4 161. Ke5 Kb5 162. Kd5 Kb4 163. Rc8 Kb3 164. Kd4 Kb2 165. Rc3 Ka2 166. Kc4 Kb2 167. Kb4 Ka2 168. Rc2+ Ka1 169. Kc4 Kb1 170. Kb3 Ka1 171. Rc1#

Jun-22-15  SirRuthless: Your engine needs to read Dvoretsky.
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  perfidious: <penguin....Carlsen can increase his chances of winning by exchanging rooks, while Nakamura can increase his chances of drawing by exchanging pawns.>

Even an average player will not allow the trade of rooks.

In the standard ending with R+4 vs R+3, all on the same side, there is one factor you have overlooked, that simply being a devotee of computer analysis and statistics (as some are) will not teach: it is important for the defending side to play h4 or ....h5.

While this ending remains drawn in most cases, even without the push of the h-pawn, it is a more difficult business to defend when h5/....h4 is allowed.

Jun-22-15  bobthebob: Congrats to Magnus de managing to get a draw against the number 2 guy in the tourney.

Every little bit helps him get out of last position!

It took some time and effort but at least he got there.

Jun-22-15  bobthebob: Sirruthless. Yeah, I found it interesting how nakamura knew of that Kasparov game where he lost in this position.

It always amazing me at the memory of. Chess pros and the ability to draw from such a wide collection of games and positions.

Jun-23-15  latvalatvian: the 171 move stockfish analysis: the computer analysis is faulty. The main reason is computers can't play chess.
Jun-23-15  latvalatvian: Your better off asking a player rated around 1350 than asking Stockfish which is just a brainless piece of metal and plastic without any feelings.
Jun-24-15  Sally Simpson: "...the 171 move stockfish analysis: the computer analysis is faulty. "

You may well be correct latvalatvian but you have to back up these claims with analysis or at the very least put a case forward.

Count the pawn moves. 65.e5 and the next one was 110.e6 5 moves short of the 50 move rule.

Here with Black to move 106 (9 short of the magic number 115 - 50 moves without a capture or a pawn move).

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Surely Black can play 106...Rc3 and keep the King cut off. White then has 8 moves to wriggle into a position where it play e6 or f5 with a clear plus. With correct play this does not appear to on.

What the posted Stockfish analysis did was to allow White to get into a position so then e6 could be played under the best circumstances for White.

It played 106...Ra2+ and chased the King where it is more active and here...

click for larger view played 109...Rh4 thus allowing White to play 110.e6. 109...Ra3 takes the sting out of e6 even with the better placed King.

In the Carlsen - Nakamura game here is when Carlsen played 88.e6

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and it was drawn 7 moves later.

Did the computer could see the 50 move rule coming, throw a wobbly and forced Black to avoid it by playing a move that was mathematically the lowest Black could play to allow White to get in e6 with it's highest plus.

It's all very strange.

Either the settings are wrong which confirms my belief that most who own these things do not know how to use them correctly. Or the whole program is duff. (a mixture of both.)

Jun-24-15  latvalatvian: The best thing you can do with a chess computer is throw it in the garbage. The analyses it gives won't help you in the least. I'm lucky if I can see my queen is hanging. Everything else is an illusion. I have more in common with my goldfish than stockfish.
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  thegoodanarchist: Clearly Naka was playing for a draw from early on.

Carlsen wanted to get the win against a player he has owned, but this is just not Magnus' tournament.

And obviously the ending with rook and pawns on one side was a draw for Black, the #3 player in the world, but Carlsen was going for a psychological collapse in the head of Naka. Didn't happen.

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  thegoodanarchist: Well, Naka is now #4 in the world. That's what I get for quoting Chess Life, notoriously late to press.
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