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Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov
Sinquefield Cup (2015), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 1, Aug-23
Sicilian Defense: Canal Attack (B51)  ·  0-1

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Aug-24-15  Jambow: Very nice mix of tactics and position gains by Topalov, Magnus still looking well below par however. It seems like Topalov has grown as a player.

Never was a huge fan of Topalov but I'm ashamed to admit my disdain for Danilov probably played a part. Always bothered by his relative deficit in the endgame too, but tactically he is a monster.

Aug-24-15  BOSTER: <Jim Bartle: Impressive that is nine>. I want to add one more-
Karpov.
Aug-24-15  okocha: Giri's comments about Magnus' game are just NO COMMENT. What was his idea at first, mentioning his wife ?!
Magnus is World Champion 2x in classical chess. Giri must "eat a lot" to get any where near. Topalov is great player, ex world champ, fantastic attacker.
Aug-24-15  fisayo123: <Jambow> Very strange kibitz.
Aug-24-15  OneArmedScissor: Oy vey! It's anotha shoah! Ira, how many shekels did you lose on this game? Oy gevalt!
Aug-24-15  Kinghunt: 11. Nxc4? may not be terrible according to the engines, but in a practical sense, it was the losing move. White's compensation is nebulous, and a single mistake later on in the game (as happened with 17. e5) leaves white down a piece. Too speculative a piece sacrifice that makes life much too difficult for white, in my opinion.
Aug-24-15
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  perfidious: <kellmano....I hate it when players imply that if only they hadn't blundered they would have won because they are the better player.>

Not to mention when that sort of thing is stated outright.

Reminds me of a game against a friend many years ago, who was about 200 points weaker than me.

In this tilt, he had an advantage for most of the game as Black, but lost his grip and I managed a win in the end. Afterwards, a mutual friend snarled at how I 'got lucky'. I just laughed it off.

Aug-24-15  FreshClipsTV: I have done a video about the game with live comments and analysis here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ7...

Aug-24-15  kamagong24: this shows that even if youre the world champion you cant always get away with an awful 6.Bd3 move
Aug-24-15
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  scutigera: <Jim Bartle><BOSTER>: And Lasker would make eleven: Lasker vs Lilienthal, 1936. However, Lilienthal has no wins vs. Alekhine, at least in the chessgames.com database, so we're back to ten, unless you count Keres, which I like to do: Lilienthal vs Keres, 1941. Whether ten or eleven, it's more crowned scalps than I've amassed...
Aug-25-15
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  FSR: Always consult Wikipedia first:

<Paul Keres and Viktor Korchnoi are the only chess players to have defeated nine undisputed world champions. They have six in common: both defeated Mikhail Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Tigran Petrosian, Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer. Keres also beat José Raúl Capablanca, Alexander Alekhine, and Max Euwe, while Korchnoi also beat Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, and Magnus Carlsen. In addition, Korchnoi defeated FIDE world champions Ruslan Ponomariov and Veselin Topalov.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...

Aug-25-15  RookFile: What a amazingly long and successful career Korchnoi has had.
Aug-25-15
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  FSR: Incidentally, my Game Collection: Lilienthal! includes, inter alia, all of Lilienthal's wins against world champions that are in the database. As I note in the introduction to it, Lilienthal supposedly also beat Alekhine "in a serious game," but that game seems to have been lost to posterity.
Aug-25-15
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  AylerKupp: <Nonnus> I can speak from recent personal experience that responding to a post without reading it and understanding it properly tesults in a much more spirited follow-up discussion.
Aug-26-15  ismet: white move 16 is false move ?! instead of this h7*f8 white win easily ?!!! please answer
Aug-27-15  talwnbe4: Don't know why Carlsen does this.. a razzle dazzle opening and Caruana misses 14..Rg6 with a clear advantage. Then Carlsen doesn't play 17. Nxf8 the only move. 13 Bh5 is really a wild move
Sep-01-15  ozu: I'm not convinced this game has to end here.
Sep-30-15  Jambow: <fisayo123: <Jambow> Very strange kibitz.>

How so other than I wrote position instead of positional. Smartphone blip I think?

Maybe because I admitted to letting my irritation by his managers actions influence my opinion of Topalov? Agreed that is not completely logical but that was my point, I'm normally more logical than that but not a Vulcan by any means.

I also don't normally like lawyers but I have a few friends who are attorneys regardless.

Feb-12-16  Alexandro: All GMs prepare surprises to break the opponent`s defences. Topalov won with this strategy!
Mar-11-16  Chessinfinite: This is a masterpiece from Topalov to beat Carlsen so convincingly.

Beautiful game.

Mar-11-16
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  perfidious: <Chessinfinite: This is a masterpiece from Topalov to beat Carlsen so convincingly.>

This game featured far from convincing play--even in the middlegame, Carlsen could have secured an edge until he went berserk.

Dec-19-18  Eduardo Bermudez B.: "Beliavsky has defeated every undisputed world champion from Smyslov (7th) to Carlsen (16th), except for Fischer: Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Karpov, Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Viswanathan Anand, Carlsen." Wikipedia
Dec-19-18
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  Retireborn: Has Beliavsky really defeated Botvinnik? I cannot find that they ever played each other.
Dec-19-18
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  perfidious: <Retireborn>, I suppose Botvinnik could count towards this list--or not--according to taste, tho really he should, having twice regained his title after losing to Smyslov in '57, when Beliavsky was aged three.
Dec-19-18  ChessHigherCat: <perfidious: <Chessinfinite: This is a masterpiece from Topalov to beat Carlsen so convincingly.> This game featured far from convincing play--even in the middlegame, Carlsen could have secured an edge until he went berserk.>

I'll take this kind of flawed but fascinating game any day over all the flawless boring draws we've been treated to lately.

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