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|Sep-01-15|| ||chessdgc2: Should White's N move again? Say, Nh4 followed by f4?|
|Sep-01-15|| ||haydn20: Seems like the players are traversing a byway of the Ragozin, one which favors Black. I'd almost bet Aronian is in familiar territory while Topalov isn't.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||BOSTER: It would be nice to transfer white queen to h6 , but black pawns are dangerous .|
|Sep-01-15|| ||plang: 20..f5 appears to invite wholesale exchanges|
|Sep-01-15|| ||MarkFinan: I see nothing wrong with 19.dxc. I don't see why he had to put the knight on f3 first|
|Sep-01-15|| ||BOSTER: You trade good pawn for doble.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||plang: now Black can pla22..Bxf3 followed by..cxd|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Zugged: Ashley is saying it will end by perpetual check white will be two pawns down and have to force it|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Marmot PFL: If Aronian makes a draw here soon I expect some other games will also end.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||BOSTER: Now white can sacr .|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Ulhumbrus: Either Shahade or Seirawan has indicated that Aronian does not need to try to avoid a draw by perpetual check, as a draw gains him the first prize.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Ulhumbrus: Draw agreed. Congratulations to Aronian, the Sinquefield 2015 winner|
|Sep-01-15|| ||devere: A great tournament for Levon Aronian. I got the impression that if he needed to win this game he could have done that too.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Kasparov Fan: From Rags at Norway to Riches at USA
Congratulations to Aronian, and at last he's rough patch is over.
|Sep-01-15|| ||whiteshark: Time and again, at the end of a working day, I marvelled to see that Aronian, with the few lines and shadows that had escaped defeat.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||plang: <devere: A great tournament for Levon Aronian. I got the impression that if he needed to win this game he could have done that too.>|
Both players would have approached the game differently if circumstances were changed
|Sep-01-15|| ||MindCtrol9: Glad that Aronian did a great job getting 1st place without losing one game.In a field like this where all the participants are super strong.Congratulations for your 1st place,Levon Aronian.|
|Sep-01-15|| ||Everett: <Premium Chessgames MemberSep-01-15 Absentee: <Everett: Strategical performance warps rating, that's why.>
Umm, you're talking to yourself here.
Are you sure you read my question before hitting "post"?>
Yes, I'm sure.
|Sep-02-15|| ||Absentee: <Everett: Yes, I'm sure.>|
Then maybe you should read it again, because your reply is completely unrelated to my comment.
|Sep-02-15|| ||RookFile: Brave play by Aronian as black.|
|Sep-02-15|| ||whiteshark: <GM Jan Gustafsson> takes a look at this encounter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcIa... Enjoy!|
|Sep-03-15|| ||Everett: <Absentee: <Everett: Yes, I'm sure.>|
Then maybe you should read it again, because your reply is completely unrelated to my comment.>
Sure it does. I don't need to read it again.
|Sep-03-15|| ||Everett: <<<Tiggler: Topalov has no incentive to help Carlsen by beating Aronian, so this should be a quick draw.>
member WinKing: Spot on <Tiggler>. I agree.>
Everett: <Premium Chessgames MemberSep-01-15 WinKing: Spot on <Tiggler>. I agree.>
Which is why ratings are not the best measure.>>
That is the beginning of my response. <Absentee> Seems you missed it.
Ratings weigh each game equally, yet the players know when it is best to play for the win or not, thus "adulterating" the value of those results.
This is the same discussion we always have. I surprise myself that I keep indulging it. Anyone who has had to peak at a particular point - for a job interview, for an end-of-season competition - knows that all events are not of equal value.
|Sep-03-15|| ||Absentee: I wasn't arguing about the merits or demerits of ratings this time around. I was saying that "not helping Carlsen" doesn't sound like a very strong motivation not to win a game (ratings or not - not helping Carlsen would help Aronian anyway, but why would it make a difference to Topalov? Unless he really hates Carlsen and would rather score worse than he could than risk him winning the event...).|
Besides, are you really so conceited as to think I don't realize that games have a different weight? I do, believe it or not. The question is more complicated than that. Different players have very different incentives. Winning itself has always been incentive enough to try to win, long before there were ratings, championships or anything of the sort. Some players don't seem to need any additional material incentive: Fischer, who you lovingly hate, was one of those, Carlsen is another, Nakamura too. Others might be motivated by money, and again in this case the difference between a lower and a higher placing was a decent sum of money. Rating themselves work as an incentive.
|Sep-03-15|| ||Everett: Nothing to do with conceit.
I don't "hate" Fischer. I despise the illogical thinking of the fanboys who surround him. I also think worshipping any person, much less someone as deficient as Fischer in so many ways, is an extension of global problems we have with heroes, leadership, and politics. I love his chess though, and have numerous posts out there to prove it.
Ratings as an incentive <is> a negative aspect of modern chess. The numbers are given far more weight than they deserve. Science and math are funny things. They can only measure certain things, and to those things they put a numerical value. The next seemingly <logical> step is that <nothing> is of value unless it can be measured numerically. This is wishful thinking at best, hubris at worst. This leads to people extrapolating that someone who only participates fully in one of three candidates cycles during a decade can be considered the best player during that same time. Due to a number, based on playing in much less important events.
In any case, you hopefully can see it is a pet issue of mine to call out when emphasis on ratings fails. To my eyes, this last post of yours was a bit more nuanced regarding their place. You can of course think what you wish, and I have nothing personal against you in any way.
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