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Magnus Carlsen vs Vladimir Kramnik
Norway Chess (2016), Stavanger NOR, rd 7, Apr-27
Queen's Gambit Declined: Exchange. Positional Variation (D35)  ·  1-0

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Apr-28-16  Pulo y Gata: I am impressed for these simple reasons:

1) To go for this seemingly dry position and see the potential for a win:

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2) Play a positional maven like Kramnik in this position

3. And win

That's just amazing. With so many pieces on the board, I thought Magnus put Vlad in some zugzwang lite.

Apr-28-16  devere: <CountryGirl: This opening was tried by Short a handful of times, against Navara et al, and it was good enough to get him a draw. Then Van Wely squashed him and he gave it up. Not sure why Kramnik chose it, since it seems to play to Carlsen's strengths.>

Yes, I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would play 6...Bf5 against Magnus Carlsen. It seems to clearly invite 50 moves of torture with at best a draw as the outcome.

Apr-28-16  Ulhumbrus: <Conrad93> On 12...Bb4+ the move 13 Nc3 seems inconsistent, because why has White played Ne2, if not to support the move Nf5 with a knight? This suggests that Carlsen would reply to 12...Bb4+ with 13 Kd1, as he did in the game a move later.
Apr-28-16
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  guenther42: The game was far more compelling than all of the kibitzing. Two great world champions going at it, a game that has some history (thanks for the Nakamura-Naiditch link), a game of twisting anxiety. Say what you want about "the good old days". The chess mastery of Magnus Carlsen is really a joy to behold, as bewitching as game 13 Spassky-Fischer, a really spooky, mystifying game. Let's just enjoy the treat of having watched the 13-year-old kid that calmly froze Kasparov's brains to the dominating grown up we see now. I still laugh watching that game with Kasparov with his eyes bugging out while the kid walks away bored a few times.
Apr-28-16  activechess55: Magnus played a great game and deserved to win the game. Kramnik seems to have miscalculated. After nb6 and na4, he thought he could take pawn on b2. It's only later he realized that he couldn't. So after wrong foray nb6 and na4, his position became unplayable.

What'd happen if black played 11... bd6 12... 000 and then kb8, bc7 etc. Knight at d7 , off course, finds it difficult to get into play. But two rooks and two bishops seem to have ample play.

Apr-28-16  geigermuller: As it will be clear from my question, this game is above me: Why not 13. ..., f5, which would chase the a-knight? I understand it locks up the bishop, but that seems temporary.
Apr-28-16
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  keypusher: <Geigermuller: As it will be clear from my question, this game is above me: Why not 13. ..., f5, which would chase the a-knight? I understand it locks up the bishop, but that seems temporary.>

Well, if Black plays ...f5 on move 13 White can just take the pawn. But I'd love to know why Black can't play ...f5 on move 12.

Apr-28-16  LeyenChess64: This guy is crazy! In the past, Karpov was called "snake" by the way he won his games, little by little. Now, Carlsen is the new "snake".
Apr-28-16
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  chancho: Geez, what arrogance!

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Apr-28-16
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  Eyal: Well, there doesn't seem to be any direct refutation of 12...f5 - maybe it's better than what Kramnik did. But it's understandable why the prospect of blocking the bishop isn't very appealing, and the knight on h4 doesn't have to retreat; there's 13.g3, and in case of 13...Bxh4 14.gxh4 with the other knight coming to f4 it looks rather nice for White. Something similar actually happened in one of the blitz tournament games (Aronian vs Harikrishna, 2016), where White tried another novelty on move 12 (Kd2).
Apr-28-16  mkrk17: Nce play by carlsen, dominating the position just by using the f5 square. Awesome positional play !!
Apr-28-16  geigermuller: <keypusher> yeah, sorry, I meant 12.
Apr-28-16  Ulhumbrus: If Black is lost after 13 Ng3 that move counts as a threat and Black is then compelled to try 12...f5.
Apr-28-16  activechess55: If black plays f5 then White can take h4 knight to f3. If now black knight goes to f6, white knight would go to e5 . Then white can play f4 and take another knight to f3 via g1. Now in a closed centre position white knight gain dominant heights whereas black bishop pair does not have open position to operate.

If instead of taking knight to f6, black takes bishop to f6 then knight at d7 and bishop at g6 are in slighty bad position.

Apr-28-16  activechess55: After white knight goes to e5 and he gets opportunity to play f4, he might like to take knight to d3 via c1. That might be even more effective. Off course these move orders can change. I mean, after knight f3 then knight c1 and knight d3 etc.
Apr-28-16
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  Sally Simpson: I see the gang are still fawning and gushing over this win. A good game yes. But for those trying to elevate it to something new and original then wise up.

Carlsen's position was so good from the opening it would be hard not to win. Black had zilch counter play. Kramnik was not Kramnik and Carlsen did not hit 3rd gear.

This pawn formation.


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Suggests you get a Knight to f5 and win.

The Knight set up Carslen used to conquer this square.


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Has been known since in 1878.

Mackenzie vs J Mason, 1878

(Same pawn formation, same Knight set up and also a good game.)

And has appeared in countless games since then and long before this one.

Apr-28-16
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  chancho: <Sally> Let them fawn and gush.

Besides, Mackenzie and Mason are scrubs compared to Carlsen and Kramnik.

:-)

Apr-28-16  Pulo y Gata: Sally, we all know chess is <that> easy.
Apr-30-16  CountryGirl: Thanks for the input, Shams and Eyal! I was going by Cox's book Declining the QGD, & wasn't aware of the more recent action in this variation. As you note, some strong players have tried it occasionally since 2011 and some have even won. Vlad himself drew with Ding Liren and beat Ivanisevic in a rapid game (which may be why Carlsen was prepared for him?) Still and all, probably not a great choice against MC...
May-04-16  Howard: This game was annotated on Chessbase just yesterday, by Jon Speelman.
May-10-16  LeyenChess64: Sweet!
Jul-10-16
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  MissScarlett: <That was just bad luck. It happens very rarely these days that you essentially close a line that had been played for dozens of years. It was regarded as solid, and now you cannot play it anymore. Once I saw Ne2, which for me is definitely the novelty of the year, I knew I had a choice between a very unpleasant endgame, which is especially unpleasant against him, and going for some concrete play in the hope it would work, but I lost without a fight.>

Kramnik, quoted in <NIC>, 2016/4, p.20.

Aug-17-16  yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/xg0z3RpJ

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Mar-29-18  madlydeeply: doubled pawns aren't a weakness for Carlsen
Mar-29-18  beenthere240: They're part of his armamentarium.
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