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|Jun-12-19|| ||al wazir: <Agferna: Lousy game.> Stupid pun too. They deserve each other.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: <Agferna: “Game of the Day” should be high quality.>
Or at least interesting, funny, whatever. In that respect this GOTD is a disaster.|
Maybe CG should do away with the pun-thing, which seems to be a priority matter, ill-chosen IMO.
Some might like to visit a restaurant because of the funny names on the dishes. Most would prefer good food to be served, though.
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: <yyoo> Thanks for the correction. This explains some of the blunders that were (not) made.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||Morten: 21.-, Qxe5 seemed a good option for black….|
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: The choice of game (with wrong moves, to be by CH) was not the best, but we got to know a very talented player. 12 years old, rating 2373, winning (7/9) at the 2017 North American Youth chess championship's U16 group. Best wishes!|
|Jun-12-19|| ||Sargon: <Agferna: Lousy game. “Game of the Day” should be high quality.>|
The membership of this site includes many younger players, and including a game from that demographic as GOTD is therefore to be expected on occasion.
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: <Sargon: The membership of this site includes many younger players, and including a game from that demographic as GOTD is therefore to be expected on occasion.>|
"Younger players" play brilliant and interesting games, so this is no argument for using this as GOTD.
What happened can only be that the pun-maker discovered the name, selected the first on the list (which it is), and the webmaster uncritically selected it because of the pun. It is not even the game as played, as Yoo has pointed out.
Yoo is a prodigy - youngest US master ever - and could deserve a better much introduction.
The same pun, should anyone need it, could have been applied to any of his games, several of which are interesting and of high quality.
|Jun-12-19|| ||goodevans: <Sargon> came in for quite a bit of stick for choosing a previous GOTD featuring the same player: C Woojin Yoo vs L Cernousek, 2018|
On that occasion I feel the criticism was wholly unjustified. Today is perhaps a little different.
|Jun-12-19|| ||goodevans: ... although I should add that the <pun submitter should also take some responsibility> for ensuring the game is of decent quality or of interest some other way.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||chessneverwas: <al wazir> asks: why not 28. axb4?|
Black's reply would be 28...axb4 with threat of mate.
|Jun-12-19|| ||fredthebear: This GOTD has generated some interest. FTB found it interesting that the overmatched White player was equal after 19 moves using the Evans Gambit. FTB is rarely surprised when the misunderstood rooks are mishandled. Making threats is good, but the opponent does not have to cooperate. One must examine all possible captures and recaptures, and then ask what happens next after the exchange (if the exchange should occur)?|
It's impossible for some to learn from the mistakes of others. They are destined to study Capablanca and Botvinnik the rest of their lives (Petrosian saved up to purchase and read 'My System' first, before Capablanca. FTB suggests D.B. Pritchard, Irving Chernev w/Fred Reinfeld and/or Samuel Reshevsky, 'Chess Made Simple' by Milton Hanauer, 'Chess the Easy Way' by Reuben Fine and 'Chess Master vs Chess Amateur' by Dr. Max Euwe and Walter Meiden before Capablanca. Build up the basics first to recognize and appreciate perfection. Mastery is the prevention/elimination of mistakes.). Or, one could look at the question marks in the game notes and reason what the better move is without peaking at the computer's answer.
Emulate perfection, or gasp and giggle at the mistakes of lesser mortals? "To each his own."
|Jun-12-19|| ||jith1207: Still complaining about GOTD quality?
One thing that would still be happening in the year <2039>.
|Jun-12-19|| ||Sargon: <sfm: [...] Maybe CG should do away with the pun-thing, which seems to be a priority matter, ill-chosen IMO.>|
*** Sacrilege! ***
Enjoying the GOTD pun—or hating it—has been a cherished tradition since the very inception of this community.
You also noted:
<The choice of game [wrong moves now corrected] was not the best, but we got to know a very talented player. 12 years old, rating 2373, winning (7/9) at the 2017 North American Youth chess championship's U16 group.>
<Yoo is a prodigy - youngest US master ever...>
Christopher Yoo Breaks Record for Youngest Ever Master:
The story linked above featured the score for C Woojin Yoo vs Antonio Scalzo, 2016 from the David Elliot Memorial Cup—in which Yoo accomplished his feat—so I made a PGN file from it and added it to the database.
Also added was C Woojin Yoo vs John Jaffray, 2016 from the Frank Doyle Open—which Yoo considers one of his favorite games.
So today’s GOTD accomplished much—introducing chessgames denizens both young and old to this up-and-coming American chess mastermind...
|Jun-12-19|| ||cormier: 15.Qxb7 Nd5 16.Nxd5 Bxd5 17.Qb5 Qg5 18.g3 c6 19.Qd3 Qg6 + / = +0.68 (25 ply)|
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: Thanks for interesting comments.
Note, BTW, that the game score was seriously wrong when originally posted here, which lead to comments that do not apply with the now corrected score, e.g. <Kangaroo: 21 ... Qxe5!> <al wazir: why not 28. axb4 ?>
In the correct score, the black rook on a8 never moves.
<sfm: do away with the pun-thing... Sargon: *** Sacrilege! ***>
I know. And actually, quite a few of them have given me a good laugh over time. Who knows, I might end up missing them.
Still, the value of the game would be the top priority for me.
I have been here since 2005, and I am usually not in the business of telling CG what I think they should do with this (great!) site. But this game, with the wrong score making it truly stupid, hit the bottom.
|Jun-12-19|| ||OhioChessFan: What is the problem with a relatively low quality game being GOTD? I challenge the naysayers to come up with 365 puns a year, to be used only on the highest quality games. I mean, it's pretty well <known> some of the Games of the Day aren't all that great in chess terms. Despite knowing that, people routinely and repeatedly click on them, just to complain about the quality. What do you do in the real world? Keep taking the time to watch a TV show you know isn't good, just to complain about it? Keep going to a lousy restaurant, and complain about the bad food every time? Grow up, children.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||Breunor: Oh my, as Morten said 21 Re5??? Both players missed 21 Qxe5 winning a rook,, if the score is correct.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||dhruv munjal: Nice game ..It seems white lacked simple endgame technique 😉|
|Jun-12-19|| ||dhruv munjal: A wonderful breakthrough with rooks !!
.. really !!?
|Jun-12-19|| ||centralfiles: <Chessgames.com> The computer generated analysis is using a different score.|
|Jun-12-19|| ||BxChess: The pun voting booth on the home page provides the opportunity for evaluating the quality of potential puns and games. Perhaps the link could be given a more prominant position.
Of course its open to voters to take a good pun and pair it with a better game, or vice versa, although I'm not sure of the ethics of this. Maybe you could kibitz on the game with `pun/game originally suggested by...'|
|Jun-12-19|| ||sfm: <OhioChessFan: What is the problem with a relatively low quality game being GOTD?>|
What is the problem with a wrong-scored game [now corrected] (thereby appearing completely stupid) as the GOTD?
The same as if the waiter on your frequently visited restaurant brings you an unusually substandard dish.
If you otherwise like the restaurant, do you do it a favor by shutting up? Or should you say something?
Some restaurants specifically asks people to give feedback on their food. There is a reason for that.
As for people clicking on GOTD 'just to complain about the quality', well -
I can't recall seeing <Agferna> or <Al Wazir> complaining frequently.
As for myself I believe it is the first time ever in my ~15 years on the site where I have commented about the quality of the GOTD.
So you must be speaking about a general problem you have seen elsewhere.
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Ironically, the 'lousy food' had a positive spin-off. Those of us who did not know Mr. Yoo got introduced to him.
All's well that ends well, and BTW, <OhioChessFan> thank you for your contributions over time with no failing quality checks.
|Jun-13-19|| ||al wazir: <OhioChessFan: I challenge the naysayers to come up with 365 puns a year, to be used only on the highest quality games.>|
Compare the shallow obviousness of this pun (Yoo/you) with the labyrinthine complexity of the clues in the Holiday Present Hunt, which grow more devious every year. Yet someone manages to keep thinking up new ones, and even more astonishingly, someone else (usually) is able to solve them.
Same website. Same chess theme. Same target viewership of chessplayers and kibitzers.
But intellectually, this pun is to them what Capitol Hill is to Mount Olympus.
|Jun-14-19|| ||thegoldenband: A lot of these comments seem off-the-wall until you realize the score has been corrected (rather quickly, I might add), so that moves like 21...Qxe5 now make no sense.|
|Jun-17-19|| ||fredthebear: <thegoldenband> If 21.Re5? was indeed played, then 21...QxRe5 robs the pinned d-pawn. 22.dxQe5? allows 22...RxQd3 and Black is up a whole rook.|
Thus, if FTB reads the score correctly, 21...Qxe5 is a game changer, but it was not played in the actual game. (Both players errored on move 21.)
This is why we should learn from the mistakes of others, for they surely will be repeated again.
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