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Magnus Carlsen vs Anish Giri
Tata Steel Masters (2017), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 7, Jan-21
Colle System (D05)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jan-21-17  not not: even Capa noted in last game of the match teas strange Shlechter played for win in last game being game up. Hence Fisher demand of 2 points lead to become WC. Giri can win 1 game and become WC, he is amazing!
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  Peligroso Patzer: <ketchuplover: Yasser said Carlsen missed a win when he still had his other rook.>

As has previously been addressed in this thread, <56. Rc8+> would have won quickly, and even after Carlsen missed that win, the position was still winning (with much more difficulty than if he had played the right check at move 56) until he missed <59. Bc4>.

Jan-21-17  RandomVisitor: I have a very deep memory of a game exactly like this one that I played when I was 13 years old and had the bishop and pawn and could not win. I am somewhat relieved to see that it happens to even the best of players.
Jan-21-17  peristilo: Sometimes being a Magnus' fan is really irritating. The guy had more than 40 mins in the clock but he just plays the first move that comes to his mind instead of trying to understand the position, which was rich tactically and deserved more thinking. Someone should really teach him how to use his time.
Jan-21-17  izimbra: <As has previously been addressed in this thread, <56. Rc8+> would have won quickly, and even after Carlsen missed that win, the position was still winning (with much more difficulty than if he had played the right check at move 56) until he missed <59. Bc4>.>

Yes, <56. Rc8+> was a forced mate in 19 according to the engine.

It's pretty trick to see that after <59.Bc4 Ne5 60. Rh6+ Kf5> <61.Bd3+!> is a good move because <61...Nxd3> leads to either mate or a skewer, losing the black Q. So it's uncharitable to fault Carlsen for missing <59.Bc4> in a real game.

Jan-21-17  FairyPromotion: <keypusher: What an incredible series of blunders from Carlsen. This could have been the greatest game of his life.>

Actually this game could have been the greatest game of his lifetime: Carlsen vs A Giri, 2015

Funny how the move Bf7+ cost Magnus two spectacular games, first by missing 38. Bf7+!! in 2015 and today by playing 56. Bf7+?! instead of 56. Rc8+!

Jan-21-17  Boomie: Notice that the champ is playing a Semi-Slav with colors reversed.

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That has to be good for white, eh?

Jan-21-17  Imran Iskandar: Unbelievable escape by Giri, albeit with help from Magnus himself.
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  WorstPlayerEver: I think Carlsen wanted to get Giri in time trouble. I see no other explanation.
Jan-21-17  Boomie: After 16...dxc4,

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white chose 17. bxc4, creating hanging pawns. Black is well positioned to prevent either pawn from advancing. Plus the half opened c-file allows black to build pressure on white's c-pawn. So how is 17. bxc4 better than the other captures? These mysteries in modern chess are way above my pay grade.

Jan-21-17  Amulet: GM Carlsen has reached its peak, and is now climbing down.
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  WorstPlayerEver: @Boomie

If White captures with a piece then Black gets d5 and the d pawn becomes an isolani.

-17. Bc4 Bf3 18. Nf3 Qe2 19. Be2. If 18. Qf3 Qd4

-17. Nc4 Qe2 18. Be2

I could be totally wrong though 😉

Jan-21-17  strobane: Did Magnus really miss mate in 3?
Jan-21-17  gopi11: Mate in 3, or huge material loss (Q and R) for Black to avoid being mated. Move 56 I believe...
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  Calli: Well, at least it's 100 moves less than Ivanchuk vs Leko, 2007 which almost reaches the same position.
Jan-21-17  Dindo: move 56. should be Rc8 check instead of Bf7. I believe
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56.Rc8+ Kg7 57.Rf7+ Kh6 58.Rh8#.

Black's "best" is 56....Re8 57.Rxe8+ Qxe8 58.Bxe8, and he is a rook and two pawns down.

Jan-21-17  SirRuthless: Glorious trolling from the Dutchman.
Jan-21-17  Boomie: <WorstPlayerEver: If White captures with a piece then Black gets d5 and the d pawn becomes an isolani.>

Yes but the IQP is a fixture in QGs. White doesn't have the two bishops so perhaps the hangers are the best choice after all.

Jan-21-17  gopi11:
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I believe Magnus has plenty of time (some say 44 mins, CB has it at 52 mins) before he made his 56th move.

56. Rc8+ threatening mate in 3, that is if Black does not want to give up his Queen and Rook looks like a natural move, even for a patzer like me.

I guess nobody's exempt when it comes to brain farts.

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  WorstPlayerEver: Obviously Magnus was a little obsessed by beating the imported Dutchman. Because in four moves (56-59) he scored 50% blunders. While he -again- had plenty of time. It's most unusual a player like Carlsen spent most of his time on a drawn position during a game. Which strenghten my point of obsession.

Speaking of obsessions; take notice that Carlsen doesn't have a -known- partner, while the younger Giri is already father.

Who was this other obsessed genius without a partner? I said genius because until that moment Carlsen played like an engine. No, it's not me. Because if Carlsen had won it would have been something. He had Giri in zugzwang with just a few pieces on the board in an open position. Not daily business, I assume.

So what do we -the chess community- got? A W-a-nker champ. Mmkay.... if that is what the people want.. I just don't believe it.

Not so long ago -when most people where still people- when a chess player died, people hit the streets in procession. Nowadays most people have a telly up theirs. When the telly tells 'em they have to move, well... they move.

O tempora, o mores!

Jan-22-17  john barleycorn: on the positive side it will keep the Carlsen spokesmen on CG busy. the usual "he is a slow starter" does not aply and to explain a mistake of this caliber after the warm-up phase will be a new challenge for them.

"It happens" does it for me. Today is a new game.

Jan-22-17  john barleycorn: *apply
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  WorstPlayerEver: "Yes but the IQP is a fixture in QGs."


With the White pawn at d5, I assume. Any way, holding the d5 square would have given a Black an easy game. By keeping the pressure on d5 Carlsen almost won this game. I am just an average player, but this seems not so hard to understand. Keep the tension on the centre.

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  thegoodanarchist: < peristilo: Sometimes being a Magnus' fan is really irritating.>

Yes, but usually it isn't.

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