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Yifan Hou vs Babu M R Lalith
Tradewise Gibraltar (2017), Catalan Bay GIB, rd 10, Jan-28
Grob Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1

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Feb-03-17
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  tamar: The issue comes up briefly (1:17:00) in Hou Yifan's master class http://www.gibchess.com/videos_mast...

She is asked if she wants to know her pairing for the next round, and Stuart Conquest asks jokingly "is it another woman?" The questioner says "No you are not playing another woman" and Hou turns toward Conquest and says seriously "No, I thought there was no...(inaudible)"

It happens to be Mickey Adams, but her reaction makes me think the issue had already been raised, at least within her own camp.

Feb-03-17
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  luzhin: Because each opponent had the appropriate score, according to Swiss system rules. The pairings were computer-generated, not decided by any human. There was nothing anomalous about any of them. If Hou wants to avoid playing females, then she should do what Judit Polgar did and enter all-play-all tournaments which otherwise have only male players. I'm sure she won't lack for invitations.
Feb-03-17
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  tamar: <luzhin> see Tiggler's post below. Even if all was done correctly, you have to know which model they were using.

The relatively rare prize structure might have led some well meaning organizer to suggest the program include an instruction to pair women when possible who have the same points.

Feb-03-17
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  alexmagnus: <The relatively rare prize structure might have led some well meaning organizer to suggest the program include an instruction to pair women when possible who have the same points. >

See my statistics above. No evidence for such a pairing system at all. Indeed, some women did not play women at all (most notably Javakhishvili). Also, some men played five women.

Feb-03-17
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  luzhin: If the program had included an instruction for women to play women when they had the same number of points, as some are suggesting, then there would have been many more female vs female pairings than actually occurred. What happened to Yifan was statistically very unlikely within a random system, but in no way impossible. And anyone who knows about statistics knows that the extremely unlikely does occasionally happen, simply by chance. Finally, I repeat: why does it matter that 7 out of her 10 opponents were females?
Feb-03-17  shortsight: <luzhin>, because Hou Yifan wanted to move away from playing only women games and further improve her strength. She very well could have believe that FIDE is trying to prevent that from happening and manipulating her pairing to be women as and when possible. Maybe she thought invisible hands are retaliating for her withdrawal from women world championship.

I'm not saying what I said as absolute truth but I'm trying to see possible reasons from her behavior and point of view.

Feb-03-17
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  Gypsy: To paraphrase Fischer:

1.g4- ... best for protest!

Feb-03-17
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  WannaBe: <Gypsy> Bwahahahahaha!! =)) I love it.
Feb-04-17
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  luzhin: Shortsight, the purpose of randomly generated pairings is not to give each player what he or she wants (even if that were possible). As I said, if Yifan wants to avoid playing other women, she should do what Judit Polgar did and play in all-play-all events as the only female. By contrast, Gibraltar has a much higher proportion of women players than any other open. You may be right about Yifan's thinking, but that doesn't justify her behaviour.
Feb-04-17
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  perfidious: <zed>, was Col Kurtz one of the players?
Feb-04-17  JimNorCal: I think we all see both sides: WC Hou obviously felt strongly, to the point of taking action. Organizers say it was just chance.

My question: isn't GM Lilith a man? So why not play him and make the protest game be one against a woman?

Feb-04-17
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  tamar: <JimNorCal> It does seem disrespectful of Babu Lalith. Had it been Fabiano Caruana, who also stood at 6 of 10, would Hou have thrown the game?
Feb-04-17
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  WannaBe: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...

Even NPR's reporting on this game. =)

Feb-04-17  beenthere240: 3. d3 is an error since a move like 3. a3 would have permitted 3...Qh4#.
Feb-04-17  posoo: All y'all is boffuns
Feb-04-17  Tiggler: What would <posoo> say about NIGLUS SHOAT if that player were to complain about being paired against women all the time? I think he would get MAXAMUN SMASHING.
Feb-04-17  schweigzwang: Luckily, however, we have the technology to avoid having to read it.
Feb-05-17  Tiggler: Yifan ought to receive some official censure for this game, but she would only have another hissy fit if that happened.
Feb-05-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: Fischer never protested like this. I'd like to see Spasski commentimg on this, however. Seems to be a popular guy, this mr. Spasski.
Feb-05-17  alfamikewhiskey: My (slightly saucy) name suggestion for this game - should pretty much cover it ... :-)

"Grob them by the compy"

Feb-05-17  Tiggler: <alexmagnus> The probability that at least one player out of 255 would be paired with at least 7 women, assuming there were 45 women was approximately 0.65 . More likely to happen than not.
Feb-06-17  posoo: NIGLUS wod NOT protest about plkaying all da women because he is a NOWN NIBBLE NOBBING FILANDOROR.
Feb-07-17
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  Gypsy: In a Swiss tournament with this many men and women, chances are nearly 1 in 8 that a woman will face 7 other women. (Per a back of an envelope calculation)
Feb-07-17  Absentee: <luzhin: Shortsight, the purpose of randomly generated pairings is not to give each player what he or she wants (even if that were possible).>

The pairings aren't random. There's no randomness in the algorithm. The only element of chance, if you want to call it that, is the result of the games, since it's the player's score that will determine the subsequent pairing.

Jul-12-17  The Kings Domain: (lol) Hou tries to pull a Fischer and ends up making her situation worse.

Women. :-)

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