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Ken Ronny Schouten vs Caroline Beer Jacobsen
"It's All Over But the Schouten" (game of the day Apr-07-2019)
Xtracon Chess Open (2017), Elsinore, rd 6, Jul-26
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1-0



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May-14-18  bubuli55: Perhaps 33...Kc8
Jun-17-18  bubuli55: Itís all over but the Schouten
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  al wazir: Black has to leave the Q-side ♙s alone and scoot his ♔ over to the K-side as fast as he can, beginning with 37...Kc8: e.g., 38. g5 Kd8 39. Rg4 Rg8 40. g6 Ke7.
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  OrangeTulip: Shame on
A 1300 ELO game presented as game of the day.
Is this a chess site? Or what?
Apr-07-19  Jamboree: This game is actually instructive, in that it illustrates what constitutes weak play. Neither side really made any overt tactical blunders, yet they both played atrociously. What, then, did they do wrong? Wasted time. So many moves by both sides just threw away tempos, or achieved nothing, or shuffled back and forth, or if they did develop, they did so in the most awkward way possible. In a GM game, if one player makes just ONE time-wasting or tempo-losing move, the other player will seize the moment and grab the momentum and start rolling to victory. But in this game, both players squander tempo after tempo throughout the whole game, and yet neither of them ever really capitalizes on the other's inaction, and instead responds with time-wasting moves of their own.

After playing through this game, I re-learned a very important chess lesson: EVERY move one makes MUST be constructive, or at least attempt to do something or achieve a goal. Otherwise, better players will take advantage of one's idleness and construct a better position for himself.

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  OhioChessFan: Nice pun. I noticed the same thing as <Jamboree> per the no tactical blunders. But much time wasted. Thou shalt not dilly dally!
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  offramp: This game took place in Elsinore, where <Hamlet> takes place, and the phrase is from that play (which gets 4.4 stars on Amazon):

These our revels, as I foretold you, are all ended,
They are over, sire! Forget about them.
They are all over bar ye shouting.>

Apr-07-19  catlover: About move 53 Jacobsen said, "Out, out brief candle!"
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  morfishine: I agree with <OrangeTulip>. This is just another cart-before-the-horse abomination where some half-wit unfunny game title is submitted without regards to the quality of the game

They should change the name of this section from 'Game of the Day' to 'Dung Heap of the day'

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  KenWSmith54: Thanks, this was fun to watch ... and instructive. (And the Shakespeare with the chess makes it more entertaining!)
Apr-07-19  bubuli55: < OrangeTulip: Shame on A 1300 ELO game presented as game of the day.
Is this a chess site? Or what? >

That is a proud moment game for Ken Schoeten. He beat a 1660ELO player. Given the chance he might also beat you. If you cannot learn anything from that game, then betcha by golly wow, he already won.

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  FSR: Sorry, the game doesn't have much to recommend it besides White's surname.
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  OhioChessFan: <FSR: : Sorry, the game doesn't have much to recommend it besides White's surname.>

What more do you need, really?

I get this one is pretty bad, but still. If I am looking for some high quality chess, I am always free to search Kasparov-Kramnik games and find a pageful. I really don't click on GOTD expecting all that much.

Apr-07-19  dumbgai: I'm reminded of a GM game that Chessbase analyzed. In the annotations for one of the moves they referenced a game between two players rated under 1300. As if it's somehow notable that two GMs deviated from that game.
Apr-07-19  dumbgai: <OhioChessFan> It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not every game has to be of world championship caliber, but I think you would agree that there are lots of sloppy low-level games that are not especially interesting.
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  OhioChessFan: <dumbgain> sure, that's the chance you take when you click on a link. If you don't like the low quality pun games-and there's admittedly a lot of them, stick with searches of Kasparov-Kramnik, and click away.
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  al wazir: <morfishine: This is just another cart-before-the-horse abomination where some half-wit unfunny game title is submitted without regards to the quality of the game.>

These dumb puns on players' names are at the same level of cleverness as knock-knock jokes:

<Knock knock.

Who's there?

Caroline Beer Jacobsen.

I can hear you. Stop Schouten.>

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  jith1207: I understand some want to value GOTD as high quality game that deserves to be up there. But for me who does not have any competitive experience and who just enjoys watching a game, it does not matter if it is between ELO 1000 players or between ELO 2600+ players. Many such low quality games such as this can be instructive for me, especially with these machine annotations.

Think of it as a Monday-Tuesday POTD. Does it make any less to have a Monday puzzle in the front page just because it is a low quality puzzle, where even an amateur can find a queen sac or a forcing set of moves to check mate? It is, but there is a reason for such games to be up there because it benefits many who visit the site.

Criticizing GOTD for a low quality game and saying it is only up there because of an opportunity for a Pun on the names of players also fall into the similar category. So what if the quality of the game is not so good? Every chess game teaches someone a lesson and that's why this site was founded to have free access for common man to find the games that they don't easily get and also the games that they can start to learn from themselves.

It is a progressive learning for every one. If some members have reached a state where some of the games are below their standards, that's super great for them. But holding a chess site in criminal court for that is overdone, and it just shows the ignorance of many to how this web site is beneficial to everyone.

It's not like GOTD continues to be worse with bad games once in a while. It is okay to have such a game, just like an early week day puzzle of the day, which happens much more often by nature in frequency than this complaint. Just my humble opinion from a common man and not a chess player.

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  diceman: <al wazir:

These dumb puns on players' names are at the same level of cleverness as knock-knock jokes:>

Quit your Schouten, and have a Beer Jacobsen

Oct-17-20  ajile: 5..Bg4 is illogical unless you are going to take the Knight on f3. After White kicks the bishop back with 6.h3 he is getting a free tempo to secure his king later with 8.Kh2. The idea of trading the Black LSB for the Nf3 is standard in this opening after which Black can build a light squared pawn chain. Here Black just misses basic strategy and gives White a free tempo. By being Black you are already DOWN a tempo to begin with.

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