chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Luke McShane vs David Howell
British Knockout Championship (2017), London ENG, rd 3, Dec-09
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Delayed Exchange (C85)  ·  1-0

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Get this game explained with Decode Chess
explore this opening
find similar games 19 more McShane/D Howell games
sac: 34.Rxg6+ PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Aug-12-20  Nichth: Black's attacking chances are good after 32.Rf8. White's multipurpose response 33.Qf4 defends his own pawns on h2 and e4, whilst putting eyes on the weak c7 pawn, and thus develops his own counter-attacking chances. Black's blunder 33...Qxc2 is met with the swift sucker-punch 34.Rxg6+ and mate follows after.
Aug-12-20  Caissas Clown: Howell must have been in severe time trouble , as a player of his strength would surely have resigned earlier , when faced with such a simple line.
Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  malt: 34.R:g6+ Kf7

(34...hg6 35.R:g6+ Kf7 36.Q:c7+ Rd7 37.Q:d7#)

35.Qc7+ Ke8 36.Re6#

Aug-12-20  Walter Glattke: Black wins, if 32.Rxg6+ instead of 32.Qf1. 32.-Rxg6+ hxg6 33.Qxg6+ Kf8 34.Qh7 then 34.-Qf3+ 35.Rg2 Rd1# or 34.f6 Qf3+ 35.Qg2 Rxg2 36.Rxg2 Rxe5 therefore 34.Qg8+ Kf7 35.Rg7+ Kd6 no compensation for the rook, 36.Qxe8? Qf3+ 37.Kg1 Rd1# Hence 32.Qf1. But it's another (manic) Monday, wow uh wow, wish, it was thursday.
Aug-12-20  TheaN: Wow this is surprisingly forcing for a Wednesday, but it seems like I'm not the only one that thought so.

<34.Rxg6+ hxg6 (Kh8 35.Qe5+ Rf6 36.Qxf6#; Kf7 same as main line) 35.Rxg6+ Kf7 (Kh* 36.Qh6#) 36.Qxc7 Ke8 (Rd7 37.Qxd7#) 37.Re6#>.

Point on Wednesdays is usually a somewhat obscured line that makes converting an issue. This is not, it's mate in four from the get go. Not complaining.

Aug-12-20  AlicesKnight: LIke others I found it and thought "there must be something else".... 34. ...Qxc2 seems short-sighted in the circumstances but we all have blind-spots.
Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Oxspawn: Please everyone stop saying this was easy. It was very, very, very hard. Translated means: I got a Wednesday solution. I must be a genius.
Aug-12-20  DrGridlock: Definition of easy:
There's one check on the first move (and that is the solution move) Every move following the first move is also a check (until mate).
Aug-12-20  awfulhangover: I am sure Howell saw the mate many moves before, but he is classy and let his fellow british super-GM deliver mate.
Aug-12-20  Whitehat1963: Got it pretty quickly for a Wednesday. Probably more of a Tuesday puzzle.
Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  NM JRousselle: There is more than one way to win. For example, 34 Qh6 is also good enough. Of course, forcing mate with 34 Rg6+ is the best move.

Black erred with 35... Qc2. Rf6 was the 1st move that came to my mind.

Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  drollere: many have offered the insight: "Black erred with 33. .. Q:c2."

but nobody has suggested a better defensive move. 33. .. Rd6? 33. .. Qf6?

stockfish suggests 33. .. Rd6, protecting the pawn on c7 and securing the attack on g6.

Aug-12-20  woodenplayer: Qxc2 a move earlier looks to be a win for Black. What did Howell think he saw with 32. ... Rf8 rather than Qxc2?
Aug-12-20  Brenin: <drollere> A while back I suggested 33 ... Rf6 or Rf7 as alternatives to Qxc2; 33 ... Rd6 or Rd7 also look plausible. A move earlier, <woodenplayer>'s 32 ... Qxc2, with a rather obvious threat, puts a spoke in White's wheel.
Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Gift of a gab g6!
Aug-12-20  RandomVisitor: After 33.Qf4

The first thing you should do when anyone posts computer analysis on the forum is to see if the poster has indicated the time that the machine has spent 'thinking.' Anything less than 3 minutes can qualify only as a quick look, but usually 7 minutes is the time when it begins to become informative:


click for larger view

Stockfish_20081207_x64_modern:

<45/66 10:21 -0.45 33...Rf7 34.R4g3 Qxc2> 35.Qh4 Rf6 36.Rh3 h6 37.Qf4 Rd4 38.Re3 Rd1 39.Reg3 Rxg1+ 40.Rxg1 Qa4 41.h4 Qc6 42.Kh2 Kh7

44/72 10:21 -0.12 33...Rf6 34.Rh4 Rf7 35.Qg4 Kf8 36.fxg6 hxg6 37.Qc8+ Ke7 38.Qxc7+ Rd7 39.Qg3 Qxg3 40.Rxg3 Rd1+ 41.Kg2 Rd2+ 42.Kg1 Kf6

Aug-12-20  Cheapo by the Dozen: Calling this a "Monday" puzzle is overstated. It has enough different variations for a Tuesday.

One thing that simplifies the analysis is that in ... Kf7 lines it really doesn't matter whether or not Black accepts the sacrifice.

Aug-12-20  RandomVisitor: After 33.Qf4

...continuing previous post, after an hour and a half of 'thought' Stockfish assesses there to be no advantage for either side:


click for larger view

Stockfish_20081207_x64_modern:

61/40 1:30:32 0.00 33...Rf7 34.R4g3 Qxc2 35.Qh4 Rf6 36.Rh3 h6 37.Qf4 Rd4 38.Re3 Rd1 39.Reg3 Rxg1+ 40.Rxg1 Qc4 41.h4 h5 42.Qe5 Qf7

60/48 1:30:32 0.00 33...Rf6 34.Rh4 Rf7 35.Qg4 Kf8 36.fxg6 hxg6 37.Qc8+ Ke7 38.Qxc7+ Rd7 39.Qg3 Qxg3 40.Rxg3 Rd1+ 41.Kg2 Rd2+ 42.Kg1 Kd6

Aug-12-20  Coriolis: Can white win with 34. fxg6?
Aug-12-20  TheaN: <Coriolis: Can white win with 34. fxg6?> No. Mate in ten for Black. The problem after 34.fxg6 Rxf4 35.gxh7+ Black can simply play Kxh7, because Black controls the fourth rank. After 36.Rg7+ Kh6 37.R1g6+ Kh5 38.Rg5+ Kh4 -#5 White's out of effective checks.
Aug-12-20  Coriolis: Makes sense. Thanks.
Aug-12-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Alex Schindler: lol this is like a chess.com puzzle of the day, an all-check mate in 4 with a forcing rook sac begging to be analyzed as first candidate move?

not that I'm complaining, maybe I'll get a whole week right for a change.

Aug-12-20  RandomVisitor: After 32.Qf1 it was mentioned that black is winning with 32...Qxc2, while 32...Rf8 draws


click for larger view

Stockfish_20081207_x64_modern:

<57/92 3:54:15 -6.06 32...Qxc2 33.Qh3> Rd1 34.fxg6 Rxg1+ 35.Kxg1 Qc1+ 36.Kg2 h6 37.Qd3 Qb2+ 38.Kh3 Qf6 39.Kg2 Qe6 40.Rf4 Qxg6+ 41.Kf2 Qd6

57/62 3:54:15 0.00 32...Rf8 33.Qf4 Rf7 34.R4g3 Qxc2 35.Qh4 Rf6 36.Rh3 h6 37.Qf4 Rd4 38.Re3 Rd1 39.Reg3 Rxg1+ 40.Rxg1 Qa4 41.h4 Qc6

Aug-12-20  pdxjjb: Why is this puzzle a 2? I am not very good at puzzles, and I solved it in about 15 seconds.
Aug-12-20  Kay Sadeeya: There is no way that was a medium puzzle (I found it way too easy) and Monday's was "very easy". Unless my brain is wired wrong.?.
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Spanish Game: Closed. Delayed Exchange (C85) 1-0 34.?
from f6 again? by fredthebear
Spanish Game: Closed. Delayed Exchange (C85) 1-0 34.?
from 2019 The Big New Yorker Won't Last Long by fredthebear
Short Tactical Shots
by LRLeighton
xxyyzz's favorite games
by xxyyzz
34.? (Wednesday, August 12)
from Puzzle of the Day 2020 by Phony Benoni
34.? (August 12, 2020)
from Wednesday Puzzles, 2018-2021 by Phony Benoni
Closed Ruy Lopez
by akatombo

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC