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Jan-21-18
 | | alexmagnus: <I wonder if anyone believes that. A player a thousand points lower than Carlsen wouldn't miss such a simple tactic let alone a world champion.> Compare Carlsen vs A Giri, 2011 |
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Jan-21-18
| | alexmagnus: Per my observation, about once a year some player above 2700 makes a one-move blunder. |
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Jan-21-18
 | | keypusher: <Marmot PFL: <An astonishing win, but Magnus already admitted that 17.g4?? was a "crude blunder". >
I wonder if anyone believes that. >
*raises hand*
<A player a thousand points lower than Carlsen wouldn't miss such a simple tactic let alone a world champion.> Come on. Here's Blackburne making practically the same blunder. These things happen. Blackburne vs Lasker, 1892 
click for larger view35.Qg5?? f4
<No, this was a very deep and diabolically clever scheme, no doubt based on his reading the psychology of the English player and devising a plan to complicate the position and exploit this.> I'm sure Carlsen can come up with plenty of ways to unsettle Jones that don't involve throwing away a piece. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | nok: To be fair, Gawain not playing ...g5 five moves later is as big a blunder, I'd say even worse. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | cormier: 25. b3
Equal Stockfish 8 Depth: 21
-0.45 25. ... gxh5 26. Rxh5 Rg6 27. Qc1 Qd8 28. Rg1 g4 29. Rxg4 Rxg4 30. fxg4 Qe7 31. Rg5 Rf8 32. Rg6 Rf4 33. Nd6 Kf8 34. Bxd5 cxd5 35. Nf5 Rxf5 36. gxf5 Bc8 37. Qf1 Qf7 38. Rd6 Qxf5 39. Qxf5+ Bxf5 40. Rxd5 -0.20 25. ... Qc7 26. Qxa7 Ra8 27. Qc5 Qe7 28. Qxe7 Rxe7 29. hxg6 Rf8 30. Nxg5 Rf6 31. a4 Rxg6 32. Ne4 Kf8 33. a5 Rc7 34. Rdg1 Rxg1+ 35. Rxg1 Bc8 36. Nd6 Be6 37. Rg6 Re7 0.00 25. ... g4 26. Ng5 Rf6 27. Ne4 Re6 |
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Jan-21-18
| | keypusher: <nok: To be fair, Gawain not playing ...g5 five moves later is as big a blunder, I'd say even worse.> But is it worse than Petrosian hanging his queen against Bronstein? |
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Jan-21-18
 | | chancho: Topalov also hung his Queen in some game. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | nok: Hanging a queen isn't necessarily a worse blunder than hanging a piece or a horrid pawn move, when you think about it. It all depends on how obvious it is. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | rogl: and who can forget Kramnik walking in to a one move checkmate against Fritz. |
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Jan-21-18
| | keypusher: <nok: Hanging a queen isn't necessarily a worse blunder than hanging a piece or a horrid pawn move, when you think about it. It all depends on how obvious it is.> Yes, I've thought about it. Just as no one bought the comparison of the Carlsen-Hou ending in 2016 to Petrosian-Bronstein, no one is going to buy saying that Jones failing to play ...g5 is worse than Carlsen throwing away a piece. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | nok: There's no comparison. That ending had some fine points iirc. The missed move here is second-nature to any Dragon player. It can only be explained it by extreme nervousness on Gawain's part. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | cormier: 17. g4
Depth: 21
-1.79 17. ... f4 18. h4 fxe3 19. Qxe3 h6 20. Qc5 Bb7 21. Ne4 Kh8 22. Nd6 Qe7 23. Nxb7 Qxb7 24. Bxd5 cxd5 25. Qxd5 Qxd5 26. Rxd5 Rf8 27. Rd3 Rf4 28. c3 Raf8 29. Rd6 Kh7 30. Rd7 Rxf3 31. Rxa7 e4 32. g5 |
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| Jan-21-18 | | JPi: Sure Black got a clear advantage after g4?? but a lot of work has to be done to call it a winning one. Black King is unsafe. One pawn for a piece but on White side pawns and pieces are all in shape. Am I alone to evaluate it as more and less 2 pawns for piece which is still insufficient but gives opportunity to a fight as a dubious gambit could. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | JPi: Thanks <Cormier> You put this evaluation whene I wrote my previous post. I doubt however of the consistency of this "1.8". I mean Black has to play carrefuly to got it. It is easy to miss one or two steps and got an approximative equal position here. Indeed like the game... |
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| Jan-21-18 | | JPi: <Cormier> I don't understand the idea behind 21...Kh8. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | devere: <JPi: <Cormier> I don't understand the idea behind 21...Kh8.> Getting out of a pin is often a good tactical idea. But 22...Kh8 would have been slightly more effective after 21...Bf8 kicking the White Queen. Then it's hard to see what Carlsen could have done to save himself. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | varishnakov: Depth of 21 is not sufficient to pass definitive judgment on moves in GM games. |
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| Jan-21-18 | | BOSTER: <MarmotPFL:I wonder if anyone believes that>.
Carlsen 17.g4 was a blunder.But Gawain made big mistake to keep his knight on d5 almost all game pinned.
In such case game was equal. |
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Jan-21-18
 | | ChessHigherCat: <JPi: <Cormier> I don't understand the idea behind 21...Kh8.>
White is threatening 22. Nf6+ winning the queen |
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Jan-21-18
| | ChessHigherCat: Sorry, white was threatening 34. Nf6+ winning the queen. It's a big coincidence because black just played 33...Kh8 |
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| Jan-21-18 | | Swapmeet: Its just so easy to criticize and dismiss in the face of computer analysis. The fact is a grandmaster could not figure out the complications over the board. If you really think you could have, props to you. |
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Jan-21-18
 | | thegoodanarchist: The Great Escape! |
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| Jan-21-18 | | lentil: Despite his piece advantage, Jones NEVER had any play. Carlsen exploited the pin on the N and later the pin on the Bishop to keep Jones caged. The (often blockaded) pawn on e5 boxed in the black Bishop. The pin on the N in particular seemed to me to be worth almost a piece. Then the W rooks entered the fray. Activity and threats trump material! |
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| Jan-21-18 | | Kaspablanca: <lentil> Jones did HAD some play, he should do 21...Bf8 kicking the queen and again 23...Bf8 |
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Jan-21-18
| | keypusher: < nok: There's no comparison. That ending had some fine points iirc. > Back when Carlsen-Hou was played you said that Hou’s 44....h5 was worse than Petrosian failing to see that the other guy’s horsie could take his queenie. Glad you came around. <The missed move here is second-nature to any Dragon player. It can only be explained it by extreme nervousness on Gawain's part..> You telling a grandmaster what moves ought to be second nature to him in his signature opening is comic. Anyone who’s played chess for a while and dealt with pawn storms will seriously consider ...g5 in response to h4-h5. I would say a Dragon specialist is less likely to play the automatic line-closing move than a circumspect positional coward like me. |
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