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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018), London ENG, rd 2, Nov-10
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Main Line Old Main Line (D37)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Nov-10-18
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  beatgiant: It looks like nearly a dead draw to me, but Black should definitely play it out for a while to take revenge for yesterday's game.
Nov-10-18
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  Diademas: Draw agreed.
Nov-10-18  cormier: both are drawing their games ...
Nov-10-18
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  Gypsy: Just got back. Does not look like Black can make progress
Nov-10-18
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  moronovich: ½-½ Draw officialy.
Nov-10-18
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  Gypsy: And draw it is, I see
Nov-10-18
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  diceman: <ajile: <zanzibar: 16.cxd5 Nxd5 17.Nxf7>

This and a few variations around this sacrifice were looked at by the commentators at the website. But nobody here ran any computer analysis??

I understand some people don't like program analysis but this is ridiculous. The Nxf7 lines were very interesting.>

1) =0.00 (28 ply) 17...Kxf7 18.Bxd6 Rxd6 19.Bh5+ Kg8 20.e4 Nf4 21.Rxd6 Qxh5 22.Rd8+ Kh7 23.e5+ Ng6 24.f4 b6 25.h3 Bb7 26.Rd7 Ba6 27.Rfd1 Kg8 28.Qe4 Rf8 29.g4 Qxh3 30.Qxg6 Qg3+ 31.Kh1 Qh3+ 32.Kg1

2) +2.78 (27 ply) 17...Bxf4 18.Nxd8 Bxh2+ 19.Kxh2 Qxd8 20.e4 Qh4+ 21.Kg1 Nf4 22.e5 b6 23.Bf3 Rb8 24.g3 Qg5 25.Rd4 Ng6 26.Qd3 Nf8 27.Rd1 Bb7 28.Bxb7 Rxb7 29.f4 Qf5 30.Rd8 Qxd3 31.R1xd3 Rc7 32.Kf2 Kf7 33.Ke3 Rc4 34.a5 bxa5 35.Ra8 Ng6 36.Rxa7+ Ne7 37.Rxa5 Nc6 38.Rd7+ Ke8

Nov-10-18  Travis Bickle: How many draws to win?
Nov-10-18  PhilFeeley: Looks like a draw.
Nov-10-18  cormier: 10 more
Nov-10-18
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  diceman: <bumpmobile:

Does anyone have an 11 piece tablebase?>

I run a 5 & 6 in parallel.

Nov-10-18
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  OhioChessFan: Well, what's going on in the final position? Black's King can be checked on f7. He can avoid that by Kg5/h4 and taking the h Pawn, but that leaves his e Pawn as good as dead. I don't think R+P vs. R+P+P would be a problem for MC. Black can play Ke5 (and maybe d4 for a little ring around the rosy with the e4 Pawn) whereupon White can play Rf7/f4 and the e Pawn is again in trouble. And Black can't interpose with the Rook since the King recapture takes His Majesty too far away from the e Pawn to defend it once the White King advances. Add it all up, and Black can't capture the h Pawn unless he gives up the e Pawn, and the Rook plus two Pawns vs. Rook plus one Pawn just isn't enough. I am still a little surprised Fabi didn't make Maggie struggle a little.
Nov-10-18  Vladimir Zukhar: i would bet that if there was a way to ELO players on endgames, that you would find very strong 2700+/2800 GMs with ONLY 2400 Endgame ELO

just a thought.... obviously they are not making thier money in the endgame but with very strong opening preparation and middlegame mastery.

Korchnoi nor Yuri Averbakh they are not.

Nov-10-18  ajile: <diceman:>

Thanks.

Nov-10-18
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  HeMateMe: good for Fabs. MC chased him in game one, vice versa today. Great WC chess. He's a worthy challenger.
Nov-10-18
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  whiteshark: White Magna Carta Toothlessness
Consistent results at least
Nov-10-18  weisyschwarz: Was 11. Be2 a novelty?
Nov-10-18  in.Limbo: Draw?? Why not keep on pressing on White's position here. 49... Rg5, then Re5, and then go for the exchange of White's h-pawn.
Nov-10-18
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  Penguincw: Carlsen was up a pawn yesterday, pressing for a win. Surprised Caruana didn't do the same.

Maybe they're eager to get into the Rest Day?

Nov-10-18  zb2cr: <in.Limbo>: So when the h-Pawns have been exchanged, what then? Envision [


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].
How does Black make progress? I'm not trying to be smarmy, I am interested in getting educated...What are you seeing that I am not?

Nov-10-18  PJs Studio: Good draw as black for Cauana. Now... time to win with white.
Nov-10-18  Vladimir Zukhar: Rook Endings even down a pawn are usually drawn if the defending King is in front of the pawns. Ususally, because it demands EXACT play. And even some positons down 2 pawns can be drawn depending on King postion.

https://docslide.net/documents/vict...

Nov-10-18  Vladimir Zukhar: https://docslide.net/documents/rook...
Nov-10-18  in.Limbo: "How does Black make progress? I'm not trying to be smarmy, I am interested in getting educated...What are you seeing that I am not?" - zb2cr

Take a chill, z. Nobody is implying that Caruana did actually miss something. It's just a suggestion of mine.

(My point, by the way, had to do with leaving the h-pawn as passer for Black. Your position, with the g-pawn at g4, seems much more difficult to exploit in Black's favor)

Nov-10-18  Strelets: This should be encouraging for Fabi: his first game with the black pieces and Carlsen doesn't get anything from the opening.
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