chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Isle of Man Grand Swiss (2019), Douglas IMN, rd 9, Oct-19
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Botvinnik Line (A28)  ·  1/2-1/2

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening
find similar games 80 more Carlsen/Caruana games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: To flip the board (so black is on the bottom) press the "I" key on your keyboard.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Oct-19-19  beenthere240: This could end quickly with a perpetual check.
Oct-19-19  devere: 17.Qxa7 Ra8 18.Qxb7 Bxc3+ 19.Kxc3 Qc5+ leads to a draw.
Oct-19-19  LameJokes:

What happens after Qa7 and Bc3?

Oct-19-19  beenthere240: Perpetual check.
Oct-19-19  LameJokes:

Thanks! I think transposes into same variation provided by Devere.

Oct-19-19  Absentee: <keypusher: <Messiah: C'mon, Caru, TROUNCE the boy!!!!>

I'm trying to think how miserable I'd have to be to (1) fervently wish for a chess player to lose (2) feel obligated to post my wish in public for all to see before every single game he played. Miserable enough to stick my head in the oven and turn on the gas, I think.>

Maybe he's just trying to get on everybody's nerves and doesn't even care that much about the game. He'd still have to be pretty miserable.

Oct-19-19  Pedro Fernandez: Winning a second pawn seems possible? Well, apparently Carlsen expected from Caruana a move other than 16...Rfe8. How dangerous is for white opening a-column? Possibly white king could emigrate to its side, but the current position is extremely complex. Where all us agree is that we are watching a tremendously interesting game. Carlsen had to demonstrate that he is the king.
Oct-19-19  Nezhmetdinov: < keypusher: <Messiah: C'mon, Caru, TROUNCE the boy!!!!>

I'm trying to think how miserable I'd have to be to (1) fervently wish for a chess player to lose (2) feel obligated to post my wish in public for all to see before every single game he played. Miserable enough to stick my head in the oven and turn on the gas, I think.> Do we have to be so prissy about someone getting into the spirit of a competitive game, one of the players of which he may passionately identify with, as people tend to with sports-people? Lighten UP.

Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Taxman: I've just been off for an hour and come back to see that the clock times are virtually level. So it looks as if MC may be out of his home prep now!
Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Taxman: Ideas like 19.Bxc3+ 20. Kxc3 Qa3+ are in the air. I'm not saying it works in this exact position but it's the kind of possibility that both players will be looking at.
Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Draw by perpet.
Oct-19-19  spingo: It's great to see such a cut-&-thrust game in progress.
Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: 99 game unbeaten streak for Magnus. 2 more games to break Ding's record.
Oct-19-19  Pedro Fernandez: Lamentable!
Oct-19-19  spingo: I spoke a moment too soon. 'Tis a draw.
Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: This game was all bark and no bite.
Oct-19-19  LameJokes:

After 17.Qa7 Engine on Chessbomb was showing 17...Bb6 and 0.75+ for white. Engine thought the sacrifice attack is not perpet for black?

Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  saffuna: <After 17.Qa7 Engine on Chessbomb was showing 17...Bb6 and 0.75+ for white. Engine thought the sacrifice attack is not perpet for black?>

Carlsen thought a long time on that mov 17. Maybe he was wondering whether winning the pawn was worth opening the a-file in front of his king.

Oct-19-19  LameJokes:

You may be right. Engine probably doesn't understand such assessment.

Oct-19-19  Pedro Fernandez: << Check It Out>: This game was all bark and no bite.> Lol!
Oct-19-19  Pedro Fernandez: << LameJokes>: You may be right. Engine probably doesn't understand such assessment.> I believe in that. Machines also have its dark point.
Oct-19-19  LameJokes:

Yes Pedro, humans are better at least in some respect.

Oct-19-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: Nice game, and a great job by Caruana against a clearly prepared line.
Oct-19-19  Carrots and Pizza: It's hard for me to understand Carlsen's thinking in the opening of this game. After 9.Ba5, it seems that Black has a solid pawn structure while White's is ruined. Why would White play like this? And the early e4 was so very committal.

Carlsen seems to me to be somewhat bored with orthodoxy, so he plays strangely in the opening just for the heck of it.

Oct-20-19  Ulhumbrus: One alternative to 4...Bc5 is 4...Bb4. One justification for it is that after 4...Bc5 5 Nxe5 Nxe5 6 d4 Bb4 Black has moved the bishop twice in the opening. If the move 4...Bc5 is better the justification by itself becomes insufficient.

Instead of 9...Ba5 one justification for 9...Bc5 is that Black has then as many pieces developed as White. Another justification for it is that from c5 the bishop covers the d6 square after ...d6, eg after 9...Bc5 10 Bf4 d6 11 exd6 cxd6 12 0-0-0 0-0. If the move 9...Ba5 is better the justifications by themselves become insufficient.

search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, is totally anonymous, and 100% free—plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, profane, raunchy, or disgusting language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate or nonsense posts.
  3. No malicious personal attacks, including cyber stalking, systematic antagonism, or gratuitous name-calling of any member Iincludinfgall Admin and Owners or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. If you think someone is an idiot, then provide evidence that their reasoning is invalid and/or idiotic, instead of just calling them an idiot. It's a subtle but important distinction, even in political discussions.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No malicious posting of or linking to personal, private, and/or negative information (aka "doxing" or "doxxing") about any member, (including all Admin and Owners) or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. This includes all media: text, images, video, audio, or otherwise. Such actions will result in severe sanctions for any violators.
  6. NO TROLLING. Admin and Owners know it when they see it, and sanctions for any trolls will be significant.
  7. Any off-topic posts which distract from the primary topic of discussion are subject to removal.
  8. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by Moderators is expressly prohibited.
  9. The use of "sock puppet" accounts in an attempt to undermine any side of a debate—or to create a false impression of consensus or support—is prohibited.
  10. All decisions with respect to deleting posts, and any subsequent discipline, are final, and occur at the sole discretion of the Moderators, Admin, and Owners.
  11. Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a Moderator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors. All Moderator actions taken are at the sole discretion of the Admin and Owners—who will strive to act fairly and consistently at all times.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
58a_Middlegames w/o NN (Knight-less)
by whiteshark


home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | contact us


Copyright 2001-2019, Chessgames Services LLC