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Ding Liren vs Maxime Vachier-Lagrave
Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020) (armageddon), chess24.com INT, rd 3, Apr-23
Slav Defense: Three Knights Variation (D15)  ·  1-0

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Apr-23-20  paavoh: Expecting something else than 4.Nc3 perhaps and playing automatically 4.-Bf5? Downhill from there...
Apr-23-20  Ulhumbrus: One example of a possible explanation is that Vachier- Lagrave had intended to play 4...dxc4 5 a4 Bf5 and played 4...Bf5 at once by mistake. I don't know whether Vachier Lagrave has said anything about it.
Apr-23-20
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  tpstar: 4 … Bf5 5. cxd5 scores well for White = Opening Explorer

A surprising miniature at this level.

Apr-23-20  Atking: Looks as a mouse accident. A cat in the room ?
Apr-24-20  sfm: Delightful!
I can't recall another game under 17 moves on that level - say 2700+ - for the last 10 years. Anyone?

12.-,Sc2+?? changes it from "bad" to "over".

I see that MVL is not that experienced in the Slav. As they say "Experience comes after you needed it."

Apr-24-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <sfm>
<I can't recall another game under 17 moves on that level - say 2700+ - for the last 10 years. Anyone?>

Even in this very same event there was Nakamura vs A Firouzja, 2020

But if we are talking about games played at fast time controls and possibly over the internet, there are probably a handful of other examples, such as Aronian vs I Nepomniachtchi, 2017

Apr-24-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  fabelhaft: Well, this one was exactly 17, but in classical instead of Armageddon, and in a title match:

Anand vs Gelfand, 2012

With short time controls like in this one there is always the top two being done in 11 moves:

Carlsen vs Caruana, 2014

Apr-25-20  MordimerChess: Hmm...
Capablanca played 4...Bf5 against Janowski and WON! (1916)

Chernin played 4...Bf5 against Karpov and WON! (1992)

But first reaction in studio was: MVL blundered! Why?

My video analysis with some interesting lines explained: https://youtu.be/6CKQYb8mbz0

Enjoy!

Apr-25-20  Ulhumbrus: <MordimerChess: Hmm...
Capablanca played 4...Bf5 against Janowski and WON! (1916)

Chernin played 4...Bf5 against Karpov and WON! (1992)

But first reaction in studio was: MVL blundered! Why?

My video analysis with some interesting lines explained: https://youtu.be/6CKQYb8mbz0

Enjoy!>

In the game Karpov vs A Chernin, 1992 Chernin played not 4...Bf5 but 4...Bg4 and according to Marovic <4...Bg4 would be a serious error. 5. Ne5 Bf5 6. cxd5 cxd5 7. e4 refutes it outright. -- Marovic> This comment appears in the annotations to the game Janowski vs Capablanca, 1916

In the game Janowski vs Capablanca, 1916 Janowski played 6 Qxb6 before taking on d5.

In the present game Ding Liren avoided this by playing 7 Nxd5 instead of 7 Qxb6 so that after 7...cxd5 he had the option of 8 Qxd5 instead of 8 Qxb6. This suggests that after 7 Nxd5 Vachier-Lagrave had to try 7...Qxb3 in order to avoid losing a pawn.

Apr-25-20  SChesshevsky: <...Vachier-Lagrave had to try 7...Qxb3 in order to avoid losing a pawn. >

Yeah, but after 8. Nc7+ blacks position appears ridiculous and it's clear the opening was a disaster. Maybe playable but probably humiliating.

So MVL has a couple of choices. Play the central pawn down and develop and castle and look to try to draw the endgame. Or try some sort of aggressive bluff and try to swindle something.

Guessing in an OTB tourney armageddon, he would've tried to hold. But here, the players look really tired for some reason. So looks like he went for the quick low probability gamble likely for expediency.

Apr-25-20
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  perfidious: <sfm.....As they say "Experience comes after you needed it.">

Never heard that one before--vastly amusing.

Apr-25-20  MordimerChess: <Ulhumbrus> True story! Thanks for taking time to figuring it out.

But the same position like in Capablanca-Janowski appeared later in Chernin-Karpov after Bd7! :D

Apr-26-20  Ulhumbrus: <MordimerChess: <Ulhumbrus> True story! Thanks for taking time to figuring it out.

But the same position like in Capablanca-Janowski appeared later in Chernin-Karpov after Bd7! :D> The game Karpov vs A Chernin, 1992 did transpose into the game Karpov vs A Chernin, 1992 after the moves 10 Nf3 Nc6. Janowski then played 11 Be2 whereas Karpov played 11 Ne5. Marovic's comment on Janowski's move 11 Be2 is <This is bad. Capablanca suggested 11. Bb5, but 11. Bd3 followed by Ke2 is also good. -- Marovic>

Apr-26-20  MordimerChess: <Ulhumbrus> Correct.
Apr-27-20  Ulhumbrus: <MordimerChess: <Ulhumbrus> Correct.> My previous message contains an error. It should have said < <MordimerChess: <Ulhumbrus> True story! Thanks for taking time to figuring it out.

But the same position like in Capablanca-Janowski appeared later in Chernin-Karpov after Bd7! :D> The game Karpov vs A Chernin, 1992 did transpose into the game Janowski vs Capablanca, 1916 after the moves 10 Nf3 Nc6. Janowski then played 11 Be2 whereas Karpov played 11 Ne5. Marovic's comment on Janowski's move 11 Be2 is <This is bad. Capablanca suggested 11. Bb5, but 11. Bd3 followed by Ke2 is also good. -- Marovic>>

Apr-27-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Like <Ulhumbrus>, I'm guessing that MVL intended 4...dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 but had a brain fart. 4...Bf5 is considered a mistake, and MVL obviously didn't have an improvement ready.
Apr-27-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <sfm> Game Collection: Great players lose miniatures Admittedly, most of these games were <not> played in the last 10 years. But the collection shows that even the best players occasionally have <really> bad days on the chessboard.
Jun-14-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Breunor: According to Soltis, Black may be able to hang on with 12 Rc8, although the position is bad.

1) +1.17 (27 ply) 12...Rc8 13.Ne5 Rc7 14.Rc1 Rxc1+ 15.Bxc1 Qc7 16.Bd2 f6 17.Nf7+ Qxf7 18.Bxb4 Bxb4+ 19.Qxb4 Qe7 20.Qc3 Qc7 21.Kd2 Qxc3+ 22.bxc3 Kc7 23.c4 h5 24.h4 Be4 25.Bd3 Bxd3 26.Kxd3 b6 27.Rb1 g6 28.f3 Kd6 29.Rc1

After Nc2ch it is pretty much lost

1) +2.94 (26 ply) 13.Ke2 Qa6+ 14.Qxa6 bxa6 15.Rc1 Nb4 16.Ne5 Ke8 17.Bxb4 Bxb4 18.Kf3 Bd6 19.Bxa6 f6 20.Nc6 Kf7 21.Bb7 Rag8 22.e4 Bg6 23.Nxa7 Rb8 24.Nb5 Rhd8 25.Bc6 f5 26.a4 Be7 27.g3 Bb4 28.e5 Bd2 29.Rc2 Ba5 30.Kg2

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