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Magnus Carlsen vs Jorden van Foreest
84th Tata Steel Masters (2022), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 4, Jan-18
Neo-Grünfeld Defense: Classical Variation. Original Defense (D78)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jan-18-22  Ulhumbrus: 14 Bf1! gains the bishop pair by unpinning the knight and so creating the threat of Nd2 followed by f3

After 15...Nc5 White has the bishop pair. The question is whether he can make it count. If there are a few who can do it better than most , Carlsen is one of those few.

17 Bd3 seems inconsistent. Why has White withdrawn his bishops if not to prepare a pawn advance? 17 Qe2 continues the plan of f3.

18...g5? looks like a completely unsound attack, one begun on the basis of no superiority whatsoever. However it is up to White to find the right way to take advantage of it.

19 Qe2? allows White to fix the f pawn by ...g4 and after Black establishes his knight the value of White's main asset is minimised. 19 h3! hinders ...g4. On 19 h3 Qe8 ( to support ...h5) 20 Qe2 h5 21 f3! Black's g pawn is too late and his knight must withdraw. After that Carlsen may go on to eventually advance his pawns and win the game.

After 19...g4! White may gain a pawn but the commentators' remarks and computer evaluations suggest that his advantage if any should be no longer enough to win.

Perhaps Carlsen was in poor form today.

Jan-18-22  Fanques Fair: White won a pawn but his bishop was so bad. I think Magnus was lucky not to lose this game.
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Apparently white could have won with 38 Ke2.
Jan-19-22  Sally Simpson: It has been pointed out on another site that here;

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Black has three ways to take on g5 and the chosen move 36...Bxg5 is the worst and perhaps should have lost. (both Rook captures are OK)

38.Ke2 mentioned above, instead of 38.Qg4 was better when White can take the Bishop.

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Not too sure What Carlsen 'saw' after 38.Ke2.

Black certainly gets play for the piece with a few tactical shots for White to avoid, but If I can see the basic threats (38...Qa6+ 39.Kd2 Qd3 mate etc) then I'm thinking he will have seen more and did not fancy it. (or, and please forgive the blasphemy, Carlsen made a return blunder.)

Jan-20-22  Albertan: Dutch Courage:Carlsen vrs Van Foreest Round 4: GM Daniel King analyzes this game in a 19:32 minute video:

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