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Ding Liren vs Ian Nepomniachtchi
FIDE Candidates (2022), Madrid ESP, rd 1, Jun-17
English Opening: King's English Variation. General (A20)  ·  0-1



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Jun-17-22  Casr: I was watching the live feed and it seems that 21.Rd4 and 22. Qd2 were some unfortunate excursus from the tight road of minimal advantage -especially this last move; in all of the hypothetical lines they were going about the queen would come up wrongly placed, sometimes even impeding the necesary luft or square for the king's survival. They were advocating for some quick pressure on the c6 pawn, constructed via 21.Na5. Then black would eventually begun its kingside operations in order to achieve some sort of dinamic equality. That said, I wouldn't really know. An another thing: was it the case of some overprotection of the e4 pawn? It seemed to me that every attempt to free white's kingside would be immediately punished, mercy of this device.
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  saffuna: The excursion 24. Na4 and 26. Nxb7 seemed like a waste of time, giving black time to build up his attack.
Jun-17-22  cormier: depth=37 | Stockfish 15 NNUE
-1.62 21... g5 22. Bf3 Qg6 23. g4 gxh4 24. Kh2 exf3 25. Qxf5 fxe2 26. Qxg6+ hxg6 27. Re1 b5 28. Na5 Nc3 29. Rd3 Ne4 30. Rxe2 Rf6 31. Kg1 Re8 32. Nb3 h3 33. f4 g5 34. Kh2 gxf4 35. exf4 Rxf4 36. Rxh3 Rxg4 37. Nd4 a6 38. Rc2 Ng5 39. Rg3 Rxd4 40. Rxg5+ Kf8 41. Rxc6 Re6 42. Rc7 Re2+ 43. Rg2 Re3
Jun-18-22  Fish55: White needed to play Rad1 on move 21 or 22, planning to meet ...g5 with Rxd5, sacrificing the exchange to help the white king survive.
Jun-18-22  et voila: Whilst white was busy winning material black was busy to end his king's life. Ding's Achille's (grabbing material) heel has done him in. Nepo's killer instinct is back alive.
Jun-18-22  Alexandro: Old Nepo is back! :-)
Jun-18-22  Ulhumbrus: The commentators ( Jan Gustafsson and Judit Polgar) indicated ( amongst a great many other things) that 14 h4 offered Black a target for attack but that Nepomniachtchi displayed patience in attacking it by ...h6 and ...g5.

The computer evaluations suggest that Ding Liren got into trouble by not playing the minority attack b5 at the right time and that the queen side manoeuvres with the knight by Na5, Nxb5 and Nc5 were the last mistake.

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  saffuna: What was wrong with 13. Bxe4 ?
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  moronovich: 13-Qxh2+ could be an issue ;)
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  saffuna: <13-Qxh2+ could be an issue ;)>

How would the queen jump the pawn on g3?

Jun-18-22  Ron: <saffuna: What was wrong with 13. Bxe4 ?>

Saffuna is right.'s computer, at 4 fuel, gives: 1) +0.71 (24 ply) 13.Bxe4 Qh5 14.Nxg4 Bxg4 15.f3 Bh3 16.Rf2 Nc7 17.e3 Ne6 18.f4 Qxd1+ 19.Nxd1 a5 20.bxa5 Rxa5 21.d4 Bf6 22.Bd2 Ra7 23.Nc3 c5 24.d5 Bxc3 25.Bxc3 Nf8 26.Bd3 Rxe3 27.Rd2 Ra4 28.Kf2 Re8 29.Rb1 Rxa3

Jun-18-22  Granny O Doul: 33. Kxh3 Qh1+ 34. Kg4 Rxf4+ 35. gxf4 Qg2+ 36. Kh4 Qh2+ 37. Kg4 Nf6+ 38. Kf3 Qh3+ 39. Kf2 Ng4+ and mates in two. I kind of like that.
Jun-19-22  Sally Simpson: Here (White to play)

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I was wondering, then looking at Ding playing 30.f3. I was chasing my tail saccing things, The Bishop and a Rook but no mate. I had to sac the Knight as well. It's all forced. (Thank You the Chessbomb computer whoever you are.)

It leads to here;

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There are 11 Queen checks, but only one mates White.

You can play through it here, not a bit of the blog, just the moves.

Jun-20-22  ByrneBabyByrne: @GrannyODoul Me too!
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  fredthebear: GM Daniel King analyzed this game:

GM Ben Finegold Recap:

Let's give this fellow a chance:

Artificial Intelligence:

Yes, Magnus will defend his title. What else is he gonna do? He cannot get chess off his brain even if he tried.

More than six hours of Round 1 coverage:

Jun-23-22  lentil: I would have played 6. ... e3 immediately.
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  PawnSac: < lentil: I would have played 6. ...e3 immediately. >

Why?? After ..e3 7.f3 exd 8.Bd2

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What are you going to do with your lady? She's standing butt naked in the middle of the board, the target of Nc3 or e4. If you keep moving her around out there you allow white to develop his position with tempo while all your pieces sit on home squares doing nothing. You may as well put her back on d8! which of course makes your queen maneuver look like a waste of time.

Inducing the pawn push doesn't harm white at all. It simply becomes a Samisch prop for e4. After a sequence like 8. ..Qd8 9.e4 Be7 10. Nc3 Nf6 11. Qe2 O-O 12. O-O-O white has a lovely position with advantage and the initiative!

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Friend, I hope you can see from this that in Ian's opening play, it is important to NOT trade off that e4 pawn! It's the only front guard the lady has at the moment. Strategically black's objective is to develop quickly in such a way as to make any attempt to capture or trade off that advanced pawn a costly endeavor. The pawn itself constitutes a SPACE ADVANTAGE. If the pawn disappears it needs to be replaced by a piece, OR pin and hopefully crucify the white piece that captured it. Otherwise, what is the whole point of black's opening play? The early development of the Q becomes a foolish idea.

I hope this helps

Aug-17-22  jerseybob: <fredthebear:....Yes, Magnus will defend his title. What else is he gonna do?> That's what I thought too, wrongly, as it turned out. So "non-Magnus" will win the title. Presumably at some point "real-Magnus" will get hungry again and try to regain "his" title. But will he succeed? Defending his title may seem like a burden now, but he may regret so cavalierly tossing it aside.
Aug-18-22  10 in 1 Tool: I think you are right jerseybob. Magnus might have gifter's remorse in 2024 Candidates. He must be making good money and fun streaming.
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  Williebob: Quick post here, though the kibitzing about Carlsen belongs elsewhere: I think it's presumptuous to call his abdication 'cavalier'. I think that Magnus has had to spend most of the last ten years preparing for, and playing for, the title, while all other pros get to avoid grueling and stressful head-to-head matches. The two-year WCC cycle will continue to be a problem. Nothing cavalier about what must have been a difficult decision.
Aug-18-22  10 in 1 Tool: Carlsen needs little preparation to beat Nepo. I wonder if he will play in 2024 Candidates. Is Carlsen hoping to be treated as a "forever champion" by giving back the title instead of losing it? He certainly intends to remain ranked world #1.
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  perfidious: <Williebob>, my thoughts on this from several weeks ago:

<All Carlsen has done, aged thirty-one, is prepare for the next match, or tournament, or.....

Maybe he wants to live, free this once, of preparation for his next title bout; and there is nothing left for him to prove, mais certainement.>

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  Williebob: Thanks <perf>, those are my thoughts precisely if more concisely put :)

I said it elsewhere, but I am actually looking forward to the bit of tension this throws into pro chess. Will Carlsen remain #1 in rating, how well will the next WC perform in subsequent events with or without him playing, etc.

The development definitely doesn't strike me as nearly irritating as the FIDE / PCA split, with competing promotions and titles.
Aug-19-22  jerseybob: <Williebob:....I think it's presumptuous to call his abdication 'cavalier'...Nothing cavalier about what must have been a difficult decision> Not saying it wasn't difficult, I'm sure it was. By "cavalier" I simply meant doing something I think he'll later regret, and I'll stick with that. And, unless Magnus plans a complete u-turn in his life like going to med school, he will still be a chess player. Today's pros play an enormous amount of chess; I don't know how they avoid burnout. So maybe that's the answer, as <perfidious> suggests. He needs a rest. But while he sits out, the winner of Ding-Nepo will be rightfully referred to as "World Champion", and until at least the next cycle Magnus will have to live with that.
Nov-05-22  tbontb: A powerful game by Nepo who methodically built up a vicious attack as Black. Early on 14. Nxg4 Qxg4 15. Bxe4 probably had to be tried as the White Q-side counterplay was always too slow. A more stubborn defence was 24. Qc2 Rf6 25. Kg1 g5 26. Rxe4 Rxe4 27.Qxe4 Nc3 and the last slim chance to play on was 26. b5 gxh4 27. bxc6 hxg3 28. fxg3 Qe5.
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