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Jul-01-22
 | | keypusher: From the tournament page --
<Willber G: Ding's gone, the match is dead.> |
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Jul-01-22
 | | 0ZeR0: Ding really got slapped here. Bit of a shame considering he was just making things very interesting. |
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| Jul-01-22 | | stridergene: After the first 8 moves, the game is similar to Paul Johner vs Efim Bogoljubov Bern 1932 |
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| Jul-01-22 | | Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding. |
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Jul-01-22
| | 0ZeR0: <Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding.> I don't know if I'd quite go that far but it sure was a shellacking. |
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| Jul-01-22 | | Messiah: <Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding.> Tkachiev vs Jobava, 2003 |
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Jul-01-22
| | keypusher: <Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding.> You Cannot Be Serious, says J. McEnroe.
This game is kind of similar. Botvinnik vs Kotov, 1946 Plenty more where that came from. |
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Jul-01-22
 | | saffuna: Plenty more where that came from.
For example, Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 |
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| Jul-01-22 | | thebully99: After Ding's tactical mistake 21. Qc1?, Radjabov found the brilliant rook sac Rxe3, which if taken leads to 22. Bxe3 Nd4 23. Qe5+ Kd3 24. Bxd4, and the bishop wins the knight. |
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| Jul-01-22 | | BxChess: With 10. Bxa6, Ding exchanges his central bishop for a sidelined knight. Undoubtedly he was concerned about c4, but he could have prevented this with 10. b3 or 10 dxc5. He played the latter at move 11, which opened up the game, where his bishop would have been more powerful. Black's doubled a-pawns were not so much a weakness as pehaps he anticipated. |
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| Jul-01-22 | | SChesshevsky: 7. a3, a rare sharp line that think Predke invented for the 2021 World Blitz. Guessing a long tough tournament helped Ding lose track of any prep after 8...Na6. Starting a sequence that seems to indicate Radjabov was fully comfortable in his prep. Going to chalk up this lemon to wrong opening, at the wrong time, clouded by brain fog. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: That Kramnik-Kasparov game was much more complicated, it was analyzed for a long time afterwards. Yes, that Botvinnik loss is up there. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: I have always been in Ding's corner, so I hope he gets over this. Such a loss can have devasteting effects on your career. Somehow I was thinking about Duran vs. Hearns. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | ndg2: 8..Na6 is a goofy move, that doesn't do much except baiting white into taking the knight all the while neglecting normal development with castles etc. Ding avoided castles to the point where it wasn't possible anymore and got rightfully punished for his underdevelopment. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Murky: Ndg2 - Disagree with your assessment. 8...Na6 is a pretty good move, preparing the immediate c7-c5. If white plays 9. b4, preventing c5, then simply 9...c6 and next move 10...Nc7. No problems for the black pieces. Didn't someone once say, "Knights on the rim are grim?" Not in this case. |
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Jul-02-22
 | | piltdown man: He played like I used to. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | hashtag: metoo |
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Jul-02-22
 | | FSR: Abject humiliation. Wow. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Ulhumbrus: <thebully99: After Ding's tactical mistake 21. Qc1?, Radjabov found the brilliant rook sac Rxe3, which if taken leads to 22. Bxe3 Nd4 23. Qe5+ Kd3 24. Bxd4, and the bishop wins the knight.> I assume that what you mean is 21 Qc1 Rxe3
22 Kxe3 Bc5+ 23 Nd4 Qe5+ 24 Kd3 Bxd4 |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Ulhumbrus: 10 Bxa6 moves the bishop a second time and concedes the bishop pair. 15 h3 disturbs the king side pawns. On the other hand 15 Ng3 makes it easier for Black to play ...d4. This is a sign that things have gone wrong for White. 19 f3 weakens the e pawn and one explanation is that on 19 0-0 Ding Liren is worried that Black will try the sacrifice ...Bxh3 21...Rxe3! may have come as a shock.
It is possible that Ding Liren was tired after his win against Caruana in the previous round. |
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Jul-02-22
| | FSR: <Olavi: This must be the worst game any player of similar standard has played since the 19th century, well Janowski had some also, but I wouldn't compere him to Ding.> A horrid game to be sure, but that's an overstatement. E.g., Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 ; Larsen vs Spassky, 1970 ; Bisguier vs Larsen, 1965 ; Larsen vs Korchnoi, 1987. Plenty of other miniatures that Larsen lost. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... See generally Game Collection: Great players lose miniatures. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | whiteshark: <Paint it Black> Recap by Daniel ♔: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brN... (~17m10s) |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: <FSR> True. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: Kasparov lost to Huzman, but that was a one move slip. Here everything went wrong for Ding. |
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| Jul-02-22 | | Olavi: Huzman vs Kasparov, 2003 Even the best of the best can make such blunders, and then it doesn't matter if it happens on move 19 or 59. |
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