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Ding Liren vs Ian Nepomniachtchi
Nepomniachtchi - Ding World Championship Match (2023), Astana KAZ, rd 6, Apr-16
Formation: Queen Pawn Game: London System (D02)  ·  1-0

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Apr-16-23  whiteshark: Grandmasters Fabiano Caruana and Cristian Chiril analyse this game in depth in their "C-Squared Podcast": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKF... (~ 1h:13m:30s)

ENJOY!

Apr-16-23
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  saffuna: At least I can a little better about not seeing anything. Giri and Howell couldn't figure out the mate after 41. d5 either.
Apr-16-23
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  Check It Out: <fabelhaft> That is pretty, but whats the line? SF is giving the pedantic line 41.Rb7 Qg5 42.Qxg5 hxg5 43.Rxb1 Kh7 44.d5 Kh6 45.Ra1


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Apr-16-23  fabelhaft: <That is pretty, but whats the line?>

41. Rb7 a2 42. Rb8 a1Q 43. Rxf8+ Kh7 44. Qg6+ Bxg6 45. hxg6#

Apr-16-23
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  Richard Taylor: Dubov I think he is called and Irina Krush do a v.g. commentary (as someone said recently) and Dubov explained the concepts of Liren's opening and new ways of playing and the method. Secure the Queen side does Carlsen (the joke was it was a rapid game against the long retired -- but great -- Kramnik) but still, it was an impressive example of WHY Carlsen is so good. I had no idea of this London system, I've tried and tried to play against it.

My first thing was to "invent" as system, playing a kind of K.I. system and getting e5 in, and that worked, but I soon found that my "invention" was, in various more "accurate" forms, already played by GMs etc. After a while the openings seemed to be known by everyone but me.

One idea or way for a weaker player is to play unusual openings and for a short while I found that a) meant I thought about the positions in new and more "inspired" ways and b) my opponents were often put out.

One game online I played 1. e4 c6 2. Nc3...there was a pause, a message came that 'your opponent has left the game' [to study the two knights var and the best plan, he or she found it]

I was itching to push the claim win after some time but he she or it started playing again and (had researched and?) found the best line....Such is life. I had some great traps ready...

Apr-16-23
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  Richard Taylor: <offramp: This is a position I was thinking about earlier. >

Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986

Karpov actually, in writing a book about the QP openings (his part of a series I think) he gives this game showing how Kasparov played a variation that led to it. Some players wouldn't show a game they lost as an example but he did.

Apr-17-23  thegoodanarchist: London Calling!!!!!!!
Apr-17-23  Atking: Great game! And an aesthetic mate to end it. 45.QxR+ and Rforh8#
Apr-17-23  whiteshark: 1st London Sys in a WC-Match
Apr-17-23  Ulhumbrus: The London system can become a Queen's gambit exchange variation reversed.

This suggests the question of how to handle a Queen's gambit exchange variation.

One example of an answer is that both sides have chances, both sides have their own prospects for attack and it is the player who has the greater knowledge and skill (and so who can, for example, employ resources that are less obvious than the resources which the opponent can employ) who will get the better of it.

Apr-17-23  metatron2: Great match.. The level is very high, but still leaves enough room for blunders and positional misevaluations, and that, in combination with the combative and dynamic style of both Nepo and Ding, results in this great entertaining match.

If for example Ding was vs Carlsen, and played the London against him, most probably Carlsen would not have allowed that dark squares domination. He would have neutralize Ding's activity and would have got an easy draw.

Then everybody would have said that Ding tried the boring London that doesn't give white anything, out of desperation, and just wasted another white game. But vs Nepo we see that London is far from boring, and we got this highly interesting game, both positionally and tactically, that Ding ended with a touch of genius.

So Carlsen actually did the chess world a favor by withdrawing from the WC matches

Apr-17-23  TheaN: Have to admit I'm enjoying this a lot more than I did the last few WC matches. Perfect chess leads to a draw, and that's kind of what Magnus' been excelling at in these matches, meaning challengers have to take risks which also doesn't work. It wins championships, but gives very stale chess.

In comparison, Ding and Nepo know there's a big chance here and don't shy away from complicating matters. I wasn't as interested beforehand, now I definitely am, especially after that brilliant end of game 6.

Apr-17-23
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  Sally Simpson: The game also swung a variation of the Caro Kann exchange. Not that I noticed. I play the advanced or that 3.Qf3 line.

Of course this cannot go on. Six sexy games. We have to remember them when the one or two dull games sneak in as the players catch their breath.

What may be making this so interesting is there is no challenger playing v a champ so no 'been there done that' syndrome and no pressure of losing the title which IMO is one reason amongst others why Nick the Norwegian walked off into the sunset.

FIDE could be considering reshuffling the candidates format and the title.

On the first day of the candidates the title is vacant. The top two play a match for the title 6 months later. The title match must remain. 'You know who' might be interested enough to return to the fold.

If so then the current champion and runner up in the previous title match DO NOT get an automatic seat in the candidates, which IMO was a valid request from the ex-champ when he suggest a format along these lines.

Apr-17-23
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  offramp: This is a great match, reminds me of Schlechter v Tarrasch match. Imagine: 2800 v 2800! They are right at the top, a few points away.

I think there will be 2 100-move games in games 7-14.
Apr-17-23  Cassandro: <Ulhumbrus: The London system can become a Queen's gambit exchange variation reversed. This suggests the question of how to handle a Queen's gambit exchange variation.>

Yes, but keep in mind that the QGD exchange variation reversed is actually the exchange variation of the Caro-Kann. Same thing.

Apr-17-23
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  beatgiant: <Cassandro> Also keep in mind that the idea, <the player who has the greater knowledge and skill... will get the better of it> is completely non-specific to the opening or even to chess itself.
Apr-17-23  dannymay: I haven't enjoyed a WC Match this much since the K-K era. Keep it up, guys!
Apr-17-23  Cassandro: <beatgiant> Yeah, good point. But I kind of get what <Ulhumbrus> intended to say. The London System is not something White plays if he/she strives to attain maximum advantage out of the opening. Instead the goal is simply to avoid a theoretical discussion and simply get an easy, playable position going into the middlegame and then rely on one's (hopefully) <greater knowledge and skill> as <humbrie> put it.
Apr-17-23
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  fredthebear: <Of course this cannot go on. Six sexy games.>

It could well go on. These two are competitors, but they are not championship caliber players.

Nepomniachtchi is too impatient and unwilling to defend, and perhaps unwilling to exchange queens not on his own terms. Ding Liren is too passive, particularly with the queen. It seems his aggression relies entirely upon the pawn structure. Neither seems to establish concrete long term plans early on.

In game 6, Nepomniachtchi showed great weakness in hitting the panic button over a mere Nc5. He had time to deal with it but chose not to.

Nepo needs to stick to 1.e4 as White and hope for a draw or two as Black without allowing a big space advantage.

It seems the Catalan Opening (Magnus Carlsen's love) is out. Despite months of preparation and a win with White in game 4, Ding admitted to being uncertain of what to open with in game 6. Not a good sign. It would not surprise me to see another London System given Black's poor performance.

Apr-17-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Fred,

I hope I'm wrong another 8 games of what we have so far would be amazing.

If it continues both camps will be scared to send their man out. I'm just saying when do get a bad one (law of averages at top level chess) then we must forgive them like I did The Beatles for sticking that god awful George Harrison track on Sgt Pepper.

Apr-17-23  stone free or die: <Despite months of preparation and a win with White in game 4, Ding admitted to being uncertain of what to open with in game 6. Not a good sign. >

Not a good sign?! Good enough for a full point.

Apr-17-23
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  fredthebear: More ignorance. You write worse than Nepo played.
Apr-17-23  stone free or die: https://www.quora.com/I-have-a-lot-...
Apr-18-23
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  HeMateMe: Terrific fighting chess so far. I'm pleasantly surprised. Would be nice to see magnus annotate a game or two of this but he's probably going to gracefully stay away, let the two pretenders garner the spotlight.
Apr-18-23  SChesshevsky: Stumbled again upon Carlsen-Kramnik World Blitz 2019. A game which is pretty similar in its London opening.

Think its instructive in the difference between how Kramnik handled it v. Nepom here.

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