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Apr-26-23
 | | perfidious: <Petrosianic: <frankumber: i love the colle system!!> Well, this is actually a Caro-Kann by transposition. (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. c3 Qc7 6. Nbd2...)> Yes, that is twice in this match that Ding has transposed into the same innocuous type of Exchange Caro-Kann. |
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| Apr-27-23 | | boz: < plang: What the commentators were so confused about was why the players were playing so quickly, especially given how complicated the position was. Particularly Nepomniachtchi, who played so well to get a near decisive advantage, continued to blitz out moves to his detriment.> It was astonishing to witness. Even Nepo's body language as he blitzed out his moves in this mind bendingly complicated position was totally casual. At one pointg he tossed out a move and got up from the table as though he was bored or something. It was like a kind of madness had overtaken him. |
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Apr-27-23
 | | HeMateMe: what's the money, $2M for the winner, $1M to the second place finisher? |
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| Apr-27-23 | | metatron2: <perfidious: <Petrosianic: <frankumber: i love the colle system!!>
Well, this is actually a Caro-Kann by transposition. (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. c3 Qc7 6. Nbd2...)> Yes, that is twice in this match that Ding has transposed into the same innocuous type of Exchange Caro-Kann> Actually Nepo was the one who transposed into exchange caro in this case, as I wrote here: Ding Liren vs Nepomniachtchi, 2023 And I don't think that exchange caro is so innocuous. The pawn structure is quite imbalanced (also reminding QGD exchange variation in reverse colors), leading to interesting options in the center and on opposite flanks. |
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| Apr-27-23 | | Ulhumbrus: One example of an explanation for the mistake 34...f5? is not just one reason but a cocktail of reasons, and one of the possible reasons from this cocktail is that Nepomniachtchi assumed wrongly that after 34...f5? White's rook was still "tied to the defence of the f2 pawn" as it had been a move earlier. Unfortunately for Nepomniachtchi the rook gained more by 35 Rxe6 than it conceded by abandoning the f2 pawn. Other examples of possible reasons from this cocktail are nervous tension, excitement, fatigue, time pressure, and the heat of the moment. |
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| Apr-27-23 | | SChesshevsky: < Other examples of possible reasons from this cocktail are nervous tension, excitement, fatigue, time pressure, and the heat of the moment.> Think this might be more the case. A symptom is going for a possible though nebulous win when having a real or perceived advantage. Especially when uncalled for. When up 1-0 with black, the practical thing is to push the advantage but offer no weakness and always consider ways to simplify and draw. Not really Nepom's nature. Though I believe he really improved since the Carlsen match by fighting instinct and being more practical. Maybe here he relapsed into old ways given the factors mentioned. |
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| Apr-28-23 | | Cassandro: <metatron2: And I don't think that exchange caro is so innocuous. The pawn structure is quite imbalanced (also reminding QGD exchange variation in reverse colors), leading to interesting options in the center and on opposite flanks.> Good point. I think Fischer in his early days had some nice wins from the White side of the Exchange C-K, making use of White's slight pull out of the opening and the subtle imbalances in the position. |
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| Apr-28-23 | | Petrosianic: <Good point. I think Fischer in his early days had some nice wins from the White side of the Exchange C-K, making use of White's slight pull out of the opening and the subtle imbalances in the position.> He won a nice game with it in 1970, but in his early days, Fischer was so bad with the Caro-Kann that people who had never played it before started playing it against him. |
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Apr-28-23
| | perfidious: <Petrosianic....He won a nice game with (the Exchange Caro-Kann) in 1970, but in his early days, Fischer was so bad with the Caro-Kann that people who had never played it before started playing it against him.> Just ask Paul Keres.
Fischer displayed his understanding of those structures well before 1970: Ivkov vs Fischer, 1966. |
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| Apr-29-23 | | Saniyat24: Ole, Ding can sing with the Colle...! |
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| May-03-23 | | saturn2: <One example of an explanation for the mistake 34...f5? is not just one reason but a cocktail of reasons> Or simply exhaustion in the 12th game of a championship match. But those mistakes are still hard to understand if one has in mind a banter session by Nepo where he talks about FC Barcelona besides making strong blitz moves in a complicated position.
Another explanation is that when one calculates too long he forgets the obvious. |
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May-03-23
 | | Knightf7mate: Sixteen year old Fischer played a kaput variation of the Caro-Kann at the 1959 Bled-Zagreb-Belgrade Candidates where he went a disappointing 8-11-9. Fischer later admitted his prep for that opening was unsound. He lost to Petrosian in the 2nd round with it and word got out. He faced 4 others with it and went 0-2-3. Then in the 2nd last round Benko tried it against him and Fischer crushed him. I had to laugh at that. Benko must have thought it would be an easy win. |
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May-03-23
| | perfidious: Early in his international career, Fischer was known for his pertinacity in opening choices, along with an infatuation for some lines which offered little. |
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May-03-23
 | | chancho: Ding did not win the candidates match (he finished second and Carlsen decided to give up his title), and I seem to remember the heavy criticism levied at Carlsen over the way he won his candidates match. (Via tiebreaks over Kramnik.)
And yet some fans are ok with Ding winning the championship. Go figure. |
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May-03-23
| | perfidious: <chancho....and I seem to remember the heavy criticism levied at Carlsen over the way he won his candidates match....> Such criticisms have slackened, though not altogether ceased, to this day. <....And yet some fans are ok with Ding winning the championship....> Ding won under the rules in force and made the most of the conditions; I have no view one way or the other. |
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May-03-23
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Chanco,
It was all done fair and square. A lot of unforeseen and drastic events had to happened. It's nearly unbelievable, in fact it is unbelievable. You would never get away with it as a work of fiction. if someone had predicted in 2019 that soon there would be a universal pandemic, Carlsen would give up the title and a war would result in a player being banned from a future candidates... ...they would told to go away and boil their head. Then they also add that due the pandemic a player had to squeeze in 28 games in two months prior to the candidates just to get a seat there. "Go away you fool." would be the war cry.
And if they continued by saying the said player will not win the candidates but they will be the world champion. Everyone on the entire site will have put them on ignore. |
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May-03-23
| | chancho: I never said it was unfair.
It is what it is.
Ding won as perf said according to the rules in place. Congrats, Ding.
But I still find it strange that some people were bashing Carlsen and before that Anand, and then Kramnik. Human beings, we are all flawed in some way or other. I hope Ding proves himself to be a very capable champion, but if not, you'll know how the script will read in the future. |
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May-03-23
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Chanco,
I got that about you not thinking it unfair on Ding. I was posting in general. It is as someone else mentioned a fairy story (and I agree if it does not pan out well then it will not be '...and lived happily ever after.') It does not matter who it is every player will get flamed from people on all forums on the net. On the whole I think all players are fairly treated here. The good posts far outweigh the bad posts, the trouble being the bad unnecessary nasty posts tend to be those that are remembered because those posts get the most responses. |
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May-03-23
| | chancho: That's true. |
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| Jul-20-24 | | pcalugaru: Being a Colle player... and playing a ton of positions of this nature... it's good to see top players essaying the Colle. Ding is good friends with Yi (who scored an outstanding win with the Colle about 6 month before) wonder if that had anything to with Ding playing the Colle. |
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Nov-25-24
| | HeMateMe: A little word play on a famous poem that most people of a certain age have heard of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunga...> <The poem is a rhyming narrative from the point of view of a British soldier in India. Its eponymous character is an Indian water-carrier (a bhishti) who, after the narrator is wounded in battle, saves his life, only to be shot and killed. In the final three lines, the soldier regrets the abuse that he dealt to Din and admits that Din is the better man. The poem was published as part of a set of martial poems called the Barrack-Room Ballads.> A fine game my Ding Liren, winning the world championship of chess! |
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Nov-25-24
 | | Teyss: A Ding win in the previous WC, the day the present one starts: is Missy sending the message she's rooting for him? <HeMateMe: (...) A fine game my Ding Liren, winning the world championship of chess!> To be clear: it was round 12, when Ding equalised, before two more draws and rapids. For those who haven't seen the movie "adapting" the poem: it's crap. All the good ingredients (George Stevens, Cary Grant, Joan Fontaine et al.) yet it weighs tons and is completely one-sided by depicting a respectable British army rightfully fighting vicious indigens. Avoid unless it's the last Cary Grant film you haven't seen. |
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| Nov-25-24 | | mrknightly: <Teyss> While I'm not qualified as a film critic, I beg to disagree a bit with your opinion about the movie. I think you have to judge it's content by the values and mores of the times. Yes, it's a bit hoaky, but I found it entertaining, and the last scene somewhat moving. "So I'll meet 'im later on
At the place where 'e is gone --
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;
'E'll be squattin' on the coals
Givin' drink to poor damned souls,
An' I'll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
Yes, Din! Din! Din!
You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
Though I've belted you and flayed you,
By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din! |
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Nov-25-24
| | Teyss: Hi mrknightly,
<I think you have to judge it's content by the values and mores of the times.> Very fair comment and I generally agree, to an extent. Passed a certain level of "hoakiness", I disconnect from the movie but that's a personal feeling, other viewers can be more lenient. Yes the last scene is quite moving and, with a few other qualities notably the acting, partly saves the movie from total disaster. (NB: please take my harsh criticism with a pinch of salt.) |
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| Nov-25-24 | | mrknightly: Primo, no hay problema. ¡Adelante! |
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