Wilhelm Steinitz vs Oscar Honegger / Robert Raubitschek / L Sternfeld (1897)

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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Oscar Honegger / Robert Raubitschek / L Sternfeld
Steinitz Blindfold Simul 2b (1897) (blindfold), New York, NY USA (Metropolitan CC), Jul-??
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit. Steinitz Gambit Zukertort Defense (C25) · 0-1

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Feb-05-17		steinitzfan: This is a wild game. It just didn't seem right that there was no kibitzing on it so I put this comment here. Strange that the person most of us think of as the the founder of position play created this weird gambit. He seems to have done well with it against some strong opposition. Not here, though.

Feb-05-17		LewisKing: Yes, very odd game. Steinitz would win a world championship match in a few years, but he played this game like he was ripping drunk or having sex with his wife at the same time. Can't help but wonder if there's more to the circumstances of the game.

Feb-05-17		Paarhufer: Look at this one: Steinitz vs Allies, 1897

Dec-09-21		Jimmy720: A wild game

Dec-09-21		Messiah: <Jimmy720: A wild game> Very interesting, thank you for bumping this game.

Dec-09-21		MissScarlett: The deleted 1897 game was actually the correct one, recently restored: Steinitz vs O Honegger / R Raubitsche, 1897

Dec-09-21		fredthebear: These are the Stockfish notes from the ALLIES duplicate page which seems destined for removal. Sorry, the copy & paste formatting did not stick, but the notes might still be useful to someone. 1.e4 Notes by Stockfish 11 (minimum 6s/ply)1...e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.d4 Qh4+ 5.Ke2 d5 better is 5...Qh5+ 6.Nf3 g5 7.Nd5 Kd8 8.h4 Nce7 9.Ke1 Nxd5 ⩱ -0.68 (35 ply) 6.exd5= 0.00 (27 ply) 6...Bg4+ 6...Qe7+ was played in Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1883 (0-1) 7.Nf3 O-O-O? 7...Nb4 8.Bxf4 O-O-O 9.Kd2 Qh5 10.Bd3 Nf6 11.h3 Nxd3 ⩱ -0.53 (19 ply) 8.dxc6 8.Bxf4 was played in Lipschutz vs O Michaelis, 1886 (1-0) 8...Bc5 8...Re8+ was played in Lasker vs E Feifer, 1908 (0-1) 9.cxb7+ 9.Qe1 was played in Heinrichsen vs NN, 1893 (1-0) 9...Kb8? 9...Kxb7 10.Qe1 Qh5 11.Kd1 Rxd4+ 12.Bd3 Nf6 13.Bd2 ⩲ +1.13 (20 ply) 10.Nb5 ± +1.90 (20 ply) 10...Nf6 10...a6 was played in W Wayte vs Zukertort, 1881 (0-1) 11.Kd3 Qh5 12.Kc3? 12.c3 c6 13.Na3 Bxa3 14.bxa3 Qf5+ 15.Kd2 Ne4+ 16.Ke1 ± +1.82 (19 ply) 12...a6 better is 12...Ne4+ 13.Kb3 a6 14.Qe1 Qd5+ 15.c4 Qxb7 16.dxc5 Nxc5+ = 0.00 (19 ply) 13.Kb3? 13.b4 Bb6 14.h3 Bxf3 15.Qxf3 Qxf3+ 16.gxf3 axb5 17.Kb3 ⩲ +0.62 (19 ply) 13...axb5? 13...Be6+ 14.c4 axb5 15.Qc2 Bxd4 16.a4 Kxb7 17.Bd2 Bb6 ∓ -2.44 (20 ply) 14.c3-+ -5.50 (14 ply) 14...Rxd4 15.cxd4 Qd5+ 16.Kc2 Bf5+ 17.Kd2-+ -14.07 (22 ply) after 17.Qd3 Qc4+ 18.Kd1 Bxd3 19.Bxd3 Qxd3+ 20.Bd2 Bb4 21.a3 17...Bb4+ 18.Ke2 Ng4 0-1

Dec-09-21		MissScarlett: Why not just run the Computer Analysis function for this game!?

Dec-10-21		fredthebear: It's a matter of time and lack of confidence in the technology. My post above took 4 or 5 minutes or so. The Computer Analysis function for this 18-move game is still churnin' at more than 2 minutes per move. Furthermore, it frequently kicks back an error reading. (It has since posted the Stockfish notes, slightly more detailed, in about 45 minutes.) Is there a way to automatically insert the computer analysis into the pgn under the "view" link?

Mar-22-23		MissScarlett: Talking of disputed Steinitz miniatures, this one requires a merger.

Aug-18-23		Sally Simpson: By chance I was looking through my copy of 'B.C.M. (British Chess Magazine) guide to the openings in one hundred and seventy-eight games / selected and arranged by "Hobart".' published in 1898. Apparently 'Hobart' was Francis Joseph Young. This game is on page 72. It ends by saying; 'After this defeat, Mr Steinitz is reported to have said he must acknowledge his gambit to be unplayable.' The book has a few odd jokey statements. I think they are jokes; '...is reported to have to have said.' or '...so we are told' or '...as the story goes' pops up a few times. They must be leg-pullers. On page 10 we learn in 1830 that a middle aged Lieutenant was in the Kings Navy and whilst laying on a bunk off the coast of Africa, (adding round about here 'so the story goes..') he pondered over the Giuoco Piano and came up with the idea of 4.b4. It ends; "...and thus, we are told, was created that most beautiful of all chess openings - The Evans Gambit." The name of the ship is not mentioned but I'll add to this by saying it was 'The Skylark.'

Sep-18-23		jnpope: Hopefully this game is "fixed" for the last time. The New York <Evening Post> republished analysis from the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle> as the gamescore, it was then picked up from the <Evening Post> and published in the <American Chess Magazine>, and then subsequently found it's way into Bachmann's <Schachmeister Steinitz>.

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