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Ding Liren vs Dommaraju Gukesh
"The Dingmaster" (game of the day Dec-10-2024)
Ding - Gukesh World Championship Match (2024), Singapore SIN, rd 12, Dec-09
English Opening: Agincourt Defense (A13)  ·  1-0

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Dec-09-24
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  perfidious: <FSR>, those players are clearly above my skill level and would likely beat me playing left-handed.
Dec-09-24
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  FSR: I neglected to mention that one of the men looks to be 60-ish. Dunno how his chess compares to a young Fischer.
Dec-09-24
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  MarcusBierce: < Kramnik has become a caricature and is pathetic, the definition of no class.>

As said by others, Kramnik the chess player is far more preferred than the whining spectator he has become.

Insert something about never learning too much about your heroes here.

Makes me think that those long bathroom breaks during the Topalov match were less about potential cheating than sticking his head in the toilet to get himself focused on the game.

Perhaps he should do that (again)

Dec-10-24  RookFile: If Ding Liren wins this match this game should go down as one of the top 5 most clutch wins in chess history.
Dec-10-24
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  eternaloptimist: This is a brilliant Karpovian style positional game by Ding! I'm really glad that he won this game & evened the score! He did a outstanding job of recovering from a tough loss in the previous game & an outstanding job of gradually increasing the pressure on gukesh. Goooo Ding!! <RookFile> this game is most definitely a clutch win!
Dec-10-24  Mirko74: In this game the opening is English A13. Chess Informant printed a monograph few months ago just on English A13. The Gukesh's line is playable (the line in the monograph gives uncertain outcome) but the monograph suggestes before Nc6 to play pawn c5. I can understand the choice of Gukesh to not play pawn c5 because Ding would play b4 and again Blumenfeld gambit reverse again with upsidedown colours respect game 11.
Dec-10-24  SeanAzarin: Nelson Lopez (aka youtuber "Chess Vibes") did an excellent breakdown of the game, simple enough for a low-rated amateur like me to understand but with a good explanation of the master-level strategy.
Dec-10-24  DaeWang: I think 32 cd5 deserves two exclams; one for ignoring the old trope of avoiding doubled, isolated pawns, and the next for driving the N out of the game.
Dec-10-24
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  perfidious: <DaeWang: I think 32 cd5 deserves two exclams; one for ignoring the old trope of avoiding doubled, isolated pawns, and the next for driving the N out of the game.>

The gains in position and material are only too obvious to players weaker than the combatants to adorn the move with <!!>; these concrete gains make it an easy choice.

Dec-10-24
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  Open Defence: I think the move for me was <12.h3> instead of an immediate <12.d4> it allowed Kh2 and provoked the innaccuracy of Rb8
Dec-10-24
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  Sally Simpson: <Richard Taylor>

I kind of made the same mistake a while back when someone said I should check out Levy's vids.
I thought they were talking about David Levy who had that famous 1970's £1,000 bet against a computer beating him in 10 years.
(BTW David grew up in Barnet hence the Barnet connection.)

When I checked out one of the other Levy's vid it was like watching Danny King on acid.
However, I did watch his game 12 recap, only the third time I've watched him and I can see why he is so popular, he does a good job on that one. Still chasing a buck but he does it so shamelessly - nothing wrong in that, we all have to earn a living and there is a lot competition out there.

Dec-10-24
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  Teyss: At last Ding found the way: keep the tension on the board and don't go for risky moves as in games 3, 7 or 8, just improve the position progressively before engaging at the best moment. I originally thought he would be better off by simplifying as in games 5 and 6, but this way is probably more aligned to his style.


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Before White's 25th, Black's pieces are a sorry sight: they are all on the last rank except the Nb6 with two useless squares and the Bg6 blocked by the defence of the Pe4. Here of course 25.Na7 wins the exchange and obviously Ding saw it but he preferred to strangle Black further with d5 and d6.

With this continuation, the game will stay in history (although he didn't do it for that purpose), whilst if he had gone for the exchange it could have been a long and tedious endgame. A truly impressive game and no less impressive comeback, showing Ding still has the strength and character that we thought he had lost.

Dec-10-24
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  MissScarlett: No more Ding-themed puns until 2025 at the earliest.
Dec-10-24  belgradegambit: I submitted “English as a Second Language.
Dec-10-24
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  perfidious: <Geoff....(BTW David grew up in Barnet hence the Barnet connection.)....>

There is actually a Barnet in my state--the only one in the country--though it is a much quieter place. One of my aunts lived in a section of that town late in life.

<....When I checked out one of the other Levy's vid it was like watching Danny King on acid....>

I saw King as lead commentator, with Maurice Ashley as sidekick, at the New York Grand Prix in June 1994.

Danny was not bad, and far better than Ashley.

Dec-10-24
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  PeterLalic: <MissScarlett: No more Ding-themed puns until 2025 at the earliest.>

I agree. Christmas risks puns such as "Ding Dong Merrily on High".

Dec-10-24
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  MissScarlett: Your risk is my command: Ding Liren vs C Li, 2011
Dec-10-24
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  MissScarlett: I suppose this is as good a time as any to solicit festive-themed puns for <cg>'s 'twelve-days of holiday season.' That will run December 20th to January 1st.
Dec-10-24
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  PeterLalic: <MissScarlett: Your risk is my command: Ding Liren vs C Li, 2011>

Haha. Of course! This is chessgames.com.

Dec-10-24  thegoodanarchist: Pun shoulda been "The Dancing Queen... Since move 17" [ABBA]
Dec-10-24
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  Sally Simpson: <Miss Scarlett>

For the first 12 games you could have got into the spirit of things and did the '12 days of Christmas.'

Game one was 'Partridge' and let that run for a few days with everyone baffled trying to guess what the pun meant, and then you post:

🎵 In the first game of the championship my true love gave to me...A Ding Liren vic-tory. 🎵

Dec-11-24
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  Open Defence: heh, and day 6 they both laid and egg?
Dec-11-24  hoodrobin: In cauda venenum.
Dec-11-24  Sheroff: After 36...Rc4, I thought the immediate 37. Re8! looked like a clear winner. Am I wrong?
Dec-12-24  Damenlaeuferbauer: <perfidious> "Kramnik has become a caricature and is pathetic, the definition of no class." I don't often agree with you, but in this case you are absolutely right. If Vladimir Kramnik thinks, "Titled Tuesdays" are "Cheating Tuesdays", why does he plays these tournaments? For what is he searching, when he plays unimportant, meaningless and btw awful online blitz games, which end in wild and boring accusations? If he has to prove himself, he shall ask for a wild card for FIDE blitz/rapid world championship this month or Tata Steel in January/February next year. In his match against Garry Kasparov in 2000 and in the tie-break against Veselin Topalov in 2006, he showed us, that he had eggs; his behaviour after his online blitz games and nowadays shows us, that he has BSE. To blame the mentally ill Ding Liren, who suffered at the board in any game since he became world champion 1.5 years ago, is ruthlessy. He shall think back 20 years ago to 2004/05, when he was also world champion and seriously ill. Since a 17/18 years old boy appeared in the limelight of the chess world at the Manilla Olympiad in 1992, I always admired and routed for Vladimir Kramnik, but if he will not apologize personally to Ding Liren for the garbage he said/wrote, I won't never support or defend him anymore.
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