| Jul-09-03 | | maa: I don't like the move Qe8 i think Ndb7! is better |
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| Sep-26-04 | | Giancarlo: 7..Qe8 is an excellnet move preparing Qh5! Botvinnik used that tactic many a time. Nbd7 will eventually come.
By the way did I happen to mention how great of an opening this is? :-) Well, not really the best line of a Dutch system... |
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| Sep-26-04 | | Knight13: Well... I don't like this opening. It's like having a closed attack position. |
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| Sep-27-04 | | Giancarlo: <knight13>
sez you! |
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| Feb-04-05 | | Dillinger: Zhenevsky is more common and phoenetically accurate spelling. |
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| Feb-04-05 | | RisingChamp: Anyone who knows the Dutch,is the Ilyin-Zhenevsky better or the Leningrad,if so any explanations please?I am a 2000 player who is changing to the Dutch against d4 and I am taking up the Leningrad so advice would be welcome. |
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| Feb-04-05 | | DP12: Knowing nothing about this line, the first thing I noticed is that the score in this line is horrible for black 64-36 is not an opening I would invest serious time into learning. |
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| Feb-05-05 | | Dillinger: Not knowing much either, I can say that the Leningrad is much more respected and known to lead to some wild games. The Ilyin-Zhenevsky is an attempt to get a 'stonewall' type structure by seemingly shutting in all of black's pieces. Unlike the similar Sicilan Scheveningen, black has few chances for a queenside attack to develop before his kingside is completely overrun by white minor pieces. |
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| Feb-05-05 | | Dillinger: The more I look at this, the less it makes sense. Creating holes on the f-file without the strong counterattack that legitimizes other dutch lines. Knight13 is right, it's an attack formation with no pieces able to carry out the attack. |
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| Jan-23-06 | | EnglishOpeningc4: this is good but better ia ...a5 preparing ...Ne4 |
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| Apr-15-06 | | Mating Net: The key element when playing the Dutch is the pawn advance e4 and ...e5. If Black can play ...e5, and nothing bad happens, he will equalize. If White plays e4 and Black can't reply ...e5, he is doomed. For those reasons, I prefer to play ...7Ne4 instead of the ...7Qe8 listed on the page. Black will still play the Queen to e8-h5 maneuver to get his kingside attack rolling, but I like the Knight hopping to e4 right away. An early ...Ne4 makes it harder for White to prep his e4 push and it vacates the f6 square for the Bishop, which in turn supports Black's ...e5 push. L Pantsulaia vs C Hanley, 2003 illustrates these themes. |
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| Apr-26-06 | | Silman: Everything <Mating Net> said is 100% correct. Sounds like he may have the same book by Simon Williams that I have, the first to my knowledge which recommends 7..., Ne4; |
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| Apr-27-06 | | Mating Net: <Silman> Thanks for the endorsement. Ys, I do have the Williams book on the Classical Dutch. It's a really good book. Williams lays out the main concepts and ideas for Black extremely well, which is what I want from an opening book. As for the early ...Ne4, this approach is by far the most sensible to me. Unfortunately, it is the shortest chapter in the book. Perhaps this is due to its relative newness. |
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Feb-07-12
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Dutch, Ilyin-Genevsky
1.d4 f5 2.c4 ♘f6 3.g3 e6 4.♗g2 ♗e7 5.♘f3 O-O 6.O-O ♗d6 7.♘c3 ♕e8 
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