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May-04-21
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<Jean Defuse> Very good catch. Steinitz vs O Loebbecke, 1896 has exactly the same score as P Evtifeev vs V Omeliansky, 1905 . Obviously one of the games has the wrong players, or even worse- the game was played by still other people, or it is a composition or a hoax of some sort. Certainly this state of affairs is <nonsense>, as you say. |
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| May-05-21 | | Chessist: Deutsches Wochenschach, No. 18/19, 10.05.1896, p.149:
Steinitz-A. Löbbecke, simul vs 21, Magdeburg, 26.04.1896, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 ... 19.Ba3 Rf2 0-1.
The one score has to be deleted, the other has to be shortened. Black was obviously not Oskar Löbbecke, but presumably August. |
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May-05-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Chessist> very good discovery you made. So now:
Steinitz vs August Loebbecke, 1896 and
P Evtifeev vs V Omeliansky, 1905 amirite. |
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May-06-21
 | | Gottschalk: <Jean Defuse> Ok, I made an error. Sorry for my mistake. |
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May-06-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Gottschalk> Possibly might you list your source for the game you posted? That might avoid future replication of the error. |
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May-07-21
| | Gottschalk: <jessicafischerqueen>Your suggestion is quite reasonable and practical.
I would love to be able to do it, however it's been a lot of time
that I downloaded some PGN's to my PC.
I remember that it was a German chess website with chess curiosities, where the author used his own name in the URL,
but I don't remember who he was and the site got off the webspace.
Please, forgive me. |
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May-08-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Gottschalk> No problem, in fact that is helpful new information. The more data we put in this thread the better. |
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| May-29-21 | | The Rocket: Weakest World Champion, but sharp tactician. |
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May-29-21
 | | Messiah: <The Rocket: Weakest World Champion, but sharp tactician.> http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/...
He is #15 here. |
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May-29-21
 | | Williebob: “Weakest World Champion” is an utterly ridiculous choice of phrasing.
I know I am hardly alone in feeling this reaction. He’s Steinitz. If you want to compare him to the other Greats (with a capital G,) then find a few more words, please! |
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| May-29-21 | | nimh: <then find a few more words, please!> The most inferior among them?
On absolute level he sure is due to rising level of play but in terms of greatness or superiority to contemporaries you can easily name several ones in turn inferior to him. |
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| Sep-27-21 | | Albertan: Visiting Steintz and Lasker at their final resting places: https://en.chessbase.com/post/visit... |
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| Mar-22-22 | | Polonia: 4/1. Willhelm ( William ) Steinitz 1872 - 1894 (Defeated Zukertort in 1872, the 1866 match should not count against Anderssen, because at that time Zukertort was stronger from Anderssen, beating him in 1865) |
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| Apr-02-22 | | Polonia: courtesy of chess champ:
wilhelm steinitz was wrong to claim championship in 1866 when he beat anderssen, because at the time zukertort was champion! Adolf Anderssen 1851 - 1858, 1860 - 1865, 1868 - 1871 (23 years on top) Won all matches against Zukertort, except for the 1865 and 1871 match, Steinitz defeated Anderssen in 1866 but Anderssen was not the champ. Co Champions: Paulson drew Anderessen in 1860 match, 5 to 5, one draw, Kolisch did it in 1862 match, 3 to 3 with 2 draws. Anderssen also drew Daniel Harrwitz in 1848 match, 5 to 5, this could be considered the first world championship match since at least 10 serious games were played! In 1860 he drew 11 game match vs Harrwitz. In 1861 he won 9 game match vs Harrwitz. In 1862 he drew 8 game match vs Paulson! In 1864 he also drew Suhle, 3 to 3 with 2 draws. He lost a match in 1865 to Zukertort, regained the title in 1868. Since 1848 match was very competitive and Anderssen defeated everybody who met him, he should be considered the best player of his time. THIS IS AMAZING FEAT FOR 1893: GERGE MARCO VS CARL SCHLECTHER, I WANT TO SEE THOSE GAMES, <CHESSGAMES, GET BUSY>
In match play he drew with Carl Schlechter (+0, =10, -0) in 1893 |
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Apr-21-22
 | | MissScarlett: (New Orleans) Times-Democrat, January 5th 1883, p.2: <Mr. Steinitz tells this anecdote as an amusing instance in his career: He once encountered a very careful and studious player and early in the game captured his queen, and then won the game off hand. The careful and studious player looked very much surprised and, after much reflection, said: "Mr. Steinitz, wherein did I make my mistake?" Mr. Steinitz blandly replied: "You lost the game when you lost your queen." "I didn't lose my queen," indignantly responded the careful man. "I sacrificed her to prevent you doubling my pawns!"> |
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| Apr-30-22 | | Albertan: Taurus and their strategy:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/tauru... |
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| May-17-22 | | Albertan: Wilhelm Steinitz,thé thinker and the dawning of chess classical age: https://en.chessbase.com/post/wilhe... |
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May-01-23
 | | Chessical: In reference to the Hastings tournament incident, the game was not adjourned as stated in the article. I happened to be present on that occasion, and what actually occurred was this: Herr Bardeleben, perceiving that his game was lost, quitted his seat without a word, leaving his time clock to run on, and thereby losing the game by forfeit. Steinitz sat at the board until the hour had expired, intently studying the position, and when he was told by a member of the committee that he was entitled to claim the game by forfeit he simply said, "I never announce mate, but as I intend to place this game in competition for the brilliancy prize I announce mate in seven moves." He immediately proceeded, to the great delight of the onlookers, to demonstrate the not at all obvious mate, with all its variations. He displayed no disappointment, " bitter " or otherwise. Nor would any chess player be likely to express disappointment in similar happy circumstances. Nearly all the writers of obituaries of Mr. Steinitz appear to assume not only that he was insane but that chess made him so. As a matter of fact, it is doubtful if he was insane. In his youth, he had an attack of sunstroke, which in later years often affected his head. It is not unlikely that as he became old and feeble, physically, these periodical attacks became more aggravated. After his detention for several weeks at Moscow, as the result of an attack of serious nervous excitement, after the conclusion of his return match with Lasker, the Russian doctors concluded that he was not insane, and New York specialists certified similarly less than three months ago. But, even assuming that he died insane, there is really nothing to prove that chess was the cause of it. His was a most sensitive temperament, and no doubt the loss of the championship after holding it for so many years affected him greatly. But with his disposition, he would have grieved equally if he had held any other prominent position in the world and if he had been suddenly hurled from his high pedestal. Yours, 40., L. VAN VLIET. Simpson's Divan, 101, Strand, August 17. Morning Post - Saturday 18th August 1900, p.3. |
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May-01-23
| | Chessical: An interesting review of Steinitz's accomplishments by a contemporary. THE LATE MR. STEINITZ. TO THE EDITOR OF THB MORNING POST. Sir, The short leader on the late Mr. W. Steinitz, published in the Morning Post on Thursday, is well calculated to make chess players tremble for their own safety. The curse of the game, the article states, is in its fascination. But in what respect, may I ask, is the game of chess more dangerously fascinating than, say, billiards or whist? The strain of defending the championship for thirty years, the author of the article opines, must have been enormous. Would it surprise him to know that during the entire period of twenty-eight years that Steinitz held the championship he probably engaged in only one contest in which he really experienced any- thing like a great strain, and that only when his race as champion was run— l am referring to his last match with Lasker played at Moscow about three years ago? For the rest, all the chess that Steinitz played affected him either mentally or physically little more than if he had played whist or dominoes. He was especially noted during his career as being a player who possessed extraordinary stamina and could tire out almost any opponent if he had no better way of beating him. It is also an error to suppose that Steinitz was a slave to chess. Compared with some other famous experts he played very little. For a number of years he scarcely played at all, and I have it on his own authority that when he was about to take part in matches with other masters he had more than once to pay strong players to play with him for practice in order to enable him to recover sight of the board, which he had lost through long abstention from actual play. For every game at chess Steinitz ever played Mr. Blackburne has probably played 50 and Mr. Bird 250, and for every game at chess Steinitz every played he probably took part in 100 games at dominoes or cards. So much, therefore, for the supposition that he was a slave to chess. |
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| Jun-07-23 | | Nosnibor: The following game was played at the Cigar Divan, London 1864. In a review of the game Blackburne stated "The opening moves have been played by Mr. De Vere with great skill and judgement and he has now established such an excellent position ,that with ordinary care he ought certainly have won the game" (Stated after White`s 11th move.) White: C. De Vere Black: W.Steinitz. Giuoco Piano 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.d4 exd4 7.cxd4 Be7 8.d5 Nd6 9.dxc6 Nxc4 10.Qd4! bxc6 11.Qxg7!? ( 11.Qxc4! was required) Rf8 12.Re1 d5 13.Bh6 Be6 14.Ng5 (14.Nd4 was better) 14...Bxg5! 15.Bxg5? 15...Qd6 16.f4 Qc5+ 17.Kh1 Ne3 18.b4? Qc2 19.Bh6 0-0-0 20.Na3 Qd3! 21.Qg3 d4 22.Bxf8 Rxf8 23.Nb1 Bd5 24.a4 Nxg2 25.Kg1 Nxe1 26.Qxe1 Rg8+ and Black won 1-0 |
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Jun-07-23
| | MissScarlett: Why not post that here? De Vere vs Steinitz, 1864 |
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Sep-17-23
| | MissScarlett: <QOTD: Fame, I have already. Now I need the money. --- Steinitz> Really? |
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Sep-17-23
 | | jnpope: "The glory I can spare, but I need the prize money" is the quote attributed to Steinitz by Fred Reinfeld in 1952, so perhaps a 50/50 chance of it being a fabrication? |
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Oct-01-23
| | Chessical: Steinitz in Glasgow, evidencing the hardships of professional chess at the time: <Mr J.D Chambers, of Cardiff, sends the under-noted reminiscences, which have been told here before years ago, in other words, but may bear repetition. The contrast between the first appearance of Capablanca here and Steinitz is enormous! “Capa” was “spick and span", and evidenced material prosperity and neatnessMy First Meeting with Steinitz!
'I remember, I remember!
In the days of long ago!'
One day after the Glasgow Chess Club had moved to Lang’s, in Queen Street (about 1880), l was having a friendly chat with the young lady in charge downstairs (the club was upstairs) when a stranger with a bashed hat, greasy tie and collar, frayed overcoat, and all-round of "stoney-broke’’ and disreputable appearance came in, and addressed the young in lingo, beyond her ken. Judging his appearance, she classed him a tramp, and in these few words gave him a settler! "Awa’ out of this my mannia; we have nothing for you the day." Instead of obeying, the supposed tramp launched more words at her, and with much spluttering continued to make her understand that his name was William Steinitz and that he came there by the invitation of Sheriff Spons. These names, like magic, changed affairs. The young lady looked glum, and the writer seized the stranger’s hand, shook it ‘‘con animo", and expressed unbounded delight meeting the world’s chess champion, stood a drink at the “Auld Kirk,” and escorted him up to the club-room, where he received a welcome from Sheriff Spens. Fyfe, Tait, Gilchrist, and other members there, that a King might be proud of. This was his first visit to Scotland. He remained a week with us, giving a number of displays simultaneous and otherwise, and to quote a well-known line by his marvelous skill, was a case of "Dad and Devils", for he made "Hares of us all". He had the time of his life while with us, and financially was much benefited. The Sheriff gave him a brand new overcoat. I stood him a hat, and the members all did something handsome for him. His style was mathematical and remarkably careful. The “Ruy Lopez” microbe had him stung — at that date of chess Queen’s Gambits and pawn openings were rare — and now look at us! “Tempora mutantur... En passant I may mention later I often met Steinitz in simultaneous play and invariably drew. I often wondered if these results were through my skill, or was he making slyly a little payment for tho days of auld long syne in Glasgow? I think we all agree that in his day Steinitz was justly the champion of the world’s chess, and we also all agree that for beautiful combinations and artistic chess he was nowhere compared to our dear dead Blackburne, British champion." JOHN D. CHAMBERS.>
Source: "Linlithgowshire Gazette (Scotland), Friday 2nd January 1925, p.4. |
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Oct-01-23
| | MissScarlett: See Glasgow Chess Club (kibitz #2). It wasn't his first visit to Scotland; he'd visited Dundee and Glasgow in 1867. |
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