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Apr-03-22
 | | saffuna: <No online casual blitz games should be allowed to skew the database.> Skew the database how?
The blitz game posted this morning, NN vs F Rhine, 2022, is not included in the database. |
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| Apr-03-22 | | Z free or die: RE: rating charts...
I can't resist commenting - might we be seeing the effects of all that recent online blitz playing here? |
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Apr-04-22
 | | George Wallace: <beatgiant: Mr. Rhine's FIDE rating progress chart is here: https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20...
The highest FIDE rating shown is 2005 in Oct. 2019. His US rating progress chart is here: https://www.uschess.org/datapage/ra... But I can only find a chart back to 1997, when his US rating was 2232. The source also shows that he earned his national master title before 1991.> You are a very thorough researcher and chess historian. Well done. And now that I understand you are an admin, I expect that you will correct the erroneous high rating of 2498. <CG> should have accurate information, do you agree? |
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| Apr-04-22 | | Z free or die: Let's hear from <FSR> himself on his peak rating. It's only fair when the full record isn't in evidence. But it does raise a point of omission in <CG>'s handling of the info - i.e. shouldn't the year of the peak be recorded along with the peak rating? . |
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| Apr-04-22 | | Z free or die: <<beatgiant> heart and flower emojis.> Can I make a request for rainbows and unicorns for mine?!? |
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Apr-04-22
 | | FSR: My 2498 peak rating was a USCF correspondence rating. I still have the postcard memorializing this if you want to see a picture. My current rating is 2411, third in the country, and eight points behind the highest-rated player. http://www.uschess.org/component/op... |
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| Apr-04-22 | | Z free or die: Hi <FSR>, could you include the years, just for curiosity's sake? |
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Apr-04-22
| | George Wallace: It should be noted then at the top of the page that the 2498 rating is only the correspondence chess rating and not the real rating that we would normally think it referred to. When people see that rating at the top of the page, they naturally think it refers to the OTB rating, so having it show the inflated number 2498 might be construed to be misleading. Therefore, let us apply labels, because <CG> should be clear, accurate and in no way misleading when it comes to chess history. |
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Apr-04-22
| | saffuna: <Therefore, let us apply labels, because <CG> should be clear, accurate and in no way misleading when it comes to chess history.> True. Then <george wallace> will no longer get confused about which games are included in "Overall record." |
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Apr-04-22
 | | beatgiant: <George Wallace>
The "highest rating achieved in the database" feature is hugely inaccurate. It is based entirely on the Elo fields in the pgn files of games in the database. Many games lack those. When the ratings are present, there's nothing to indicate whether it's over-the-board or correspondence, standard or speed chess, FIDE or national. This isn't a Frederick Rhine problem, it's a database-wide problem. If we really want an accurate "highest rating" report that is based on a single rating system like over-the-board FIDE ratings, we'd need to stop relying on the pgn files and instead get the info from published rating reports. If you want to discuss that, I suggest you follow up in Biographer Bistro Meanwhile, suppose I wanted to replace Frederick Rhine's highest rating with, say, his peak FIDE rating of 2005. I could write a script to search all his games and remove the Elo field from every game that reports a rating higher than 2005. Then this one player's peak rating would follow this one standard, but the rest of the database still would not. Can you understand why I don't think this is a good solution? |
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Apr-04-22
| | beatgiant: <George Wallace>
As for your other suggestion (add the rating type with the "highest rating"), again this information is not available from the pgn files. |
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Apr-04-22
| | George Wallace: From what you say, it sounds like the "Highest rating" information is therefore generally misleading, inaccurate and unreliable. Now the question becomes <why> this information is put at the top of the player pages. Should a website that prides itself on accurate and reliable information post data that they know is <generally> misleading, inaccurate and unreliable? |
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Apr-04-22
| | saffuna: <Should a website that prides itself on accurate and reliable information post data that they know is <generally> misleading, inaccurate and unreliable?> <george wallace> is pretty selective in his objections. He has stated openly that he doesn't care that the Wesley So bio is wildly misleading. |
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Apr-04-22
| | beatgiant: <George Wallace>
Since the issue is not specific to Frederick Rhine, I again suggest to move the further discussion to Biographer Bistro , where it would be a legitimate topic. |
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Apr-04-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<beatgiant>
A more fruitful forum for this kind of discussion might be the webmaster's forum: stevemcd87 chessforum Anyways that's where the biographer's bistro regulars go when they wish to discuss such broader site issues such as ratings entry levels, how to collect games into events and where to publish them, and so forth. Those are higher level concerns that would likely involve people with actual authority to make site changes. In the Biographer's Bistro forum we mainly work on narrower concerns that we have the ability to edit ourselves. Sometimes we even go to the site owner's forum if we really want to get people involved who have the actual power to make site-wide decisions on topics of wider import: chessgames.com chessforum |
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Apr-04-22
| | beatgiant: <jessicafischerqueen>
Good suggestions. The problems that get discussed in those places are usually the ones we solve. |
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Apr-04-22
 | | perfidious: <saffuna....<george wallace> is pretty selective in his objections....> To put it mildly, but consistent with his behaviour elsewhere. <....He has stated openly that he doesn't care that the Wesley So bio is wildly misleading.> Of course, because his concern atm is slagging Frederick and his achievements, of which he is clearly insanely jealous; moreover, he realises there is no hope of changing the So page. |
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Apr-04-22
| | FSR: <Z free or die> Sure. As of 9/21/1993, my USCF correspondence rating reached its peak of 2498. My peak USCF OTB rating to date was 2232, achieved in March 1997 after the US Masters tournament. http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTn... |
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| Apr-04-22 | | Z free or die: Thanks <Fred>, nice to know. When I put peak (EDO) ratings in Z-base's bios I always try to include when. . |
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| Apr-06-22 | | Troller: Out of curiosity: Are the peak ratings manually put by editors or are they hoovered from pgns in the games? Peak elo might be grabbed from the FIDE ratings site if a match can be made. |
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Apr-06-22
| | perfidious: <Troller>, I too have wondered about that, though only out of idle curiosity. |
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Apr-06-22
| | beatgiant: <Troller>,<perfidious>
See the explanation in my reply to <George Wallace> above. They come from the pgns. |
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Apr-06-22
 | | Dionysius1: In the meantime, for the George Wallaces in the kibbitzing community, I suppose a note in the FAQ section about how the peak ratings are sourced, and maybe that FIDE is an alternative source - might not do any harm |
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Aug-06-22
| | perfidious: <Frederick>, you caught me again.... |
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Aug-15-22
| | FSR: <perfidious> Indeed. It seems to happen like clockwork. |
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