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Dec-23-16
 | | Domdaniel: <MissScarlett> Call this a welfare state?
<The impotent poor (people who can't work) were to be cared for in almshouse or a poorhouse. The law offered relief to people who were unable to work: mainly those who were "lame, impotent, old, blind".
The able-bodied poor were to be set to work in a House of Industry. Materials were to be provided for the poor to be set to work.[9]
The idle poor and vagrants were to be sent to a House of Correction or even prison.[5]
Pauper children would become apprentices.> Idle poor and paups, eh? Not exactly Benefits Heaven, is it?
What's the name of that UK TV series about dole-dependent communities? Dole Drive? Alms Avenue? Welfare Wonderland? |
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Dec-23-16
 | | MissScarlett: They didn't have flat screen Tvs back in the 16th century neither. What's your point? My point is that a country which concurrently and consistently runs large budget and trade deficits is ill-placed to afford an ever burgeoning welfare state. |
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Dec-23-16
 | | Domdaniel: My point is that 16th century Xtian charity does not make a welfare state. Are you some kind of UKIPPER?
How fascinating. Most of the English people I know are at least half-civilized. |
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Dec-23-16
 | | MissScarlett: <Act for the Relief of the Poor 1601> Welfare provided by the state = a welfare state. The notion that it began after WW2 is a modern liberal conceit. |
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Jul-05-17
 | | Tabanus: "Dewhirst" seems certain, whereas only the orig. birth certificate could tell if it was "Fred" (which does seem likely) or "Frederick": 1884, Civil Registration Birth Index: "Fred Yates" 1861 census, Birstall Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst" 1871 census, Gomersal Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst" 1891 census, Gomersal: "Fred Yates"
1901 census, Birstall: "Fred Yates"
1921 to 1926, Birstall electorial registers (orig.): "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and "Fred Yates" before 1921) 1924: UK outward passenger list, Liverpool 1 March 1924 to New York: "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and same name in NY incoming list 11 March) 1924: UK incoming passenger list, New York to Liverpool 24 March: "Fred Yates" 1932: Burials in the Parish of Birstall (orig. document): "Frederick Dewhirst Yates" 1932: Gravestone (https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...) : "Fred Dewhirst Yates" |
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Jul-06-17 | | zanzibar: To update <Tomlinksky>'s links, Fred Dewhurst Yates (kibitz #30) now that the Yorkshire site has gone dead:
https://web.archive.org/web/2013070... |
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Oct-05-18
 | | MissScarlett: Winter calls the <Manchester Guardian>'s coverage of Yates's death the 'most comprehensive' that he'd seen. I draw attention to its piece on Yates's inquest here: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... But this excerpt from the article in the <Nottingham Guardian> of November 15th, p.5, has some interesting additional information: <Virginia Arelo [other papers have <Av(a/e)llone>], proprietress of the boarding house, said Mr. Yates had a top room there for some years and owed about five weeks' rent. She was not concerned about the money.Yates was a very quiet little man. She did not see much of him, and so far as she knew he had never threatened his life. Miss Olive Holmes, a chambermaid, who discovered the tragedy, said some food was left outside Yates's room on Thursday, and was not touched. On Friday afternoon she smelt gas, and on going into the room, the door of which had to be forced, found Yates lying on the bed apparently in deep sleep. There were marks, apparently blood-stains, on the pillow. P.c. Lewing, who was called, said the gas fire was turned off, and there were no indications that Yates had committed suicide. Dr. Price [elsewhere <Dr. White>] said there were no signs of violent death. What appeared to be blood stains were the result of vomiting after drinking coffee. Death was due to coal gas-poisoning. Replying to the coroner, Dr. Price said that Yates may have been gassed in his sleep from a leak.> I think the common assumption has been that Yates died 'peacefully' in his sleep, but this titbit about the vomit on the pillow raises its suggestive head - could it have been connected with Yates's death throes? If so, does it indicate that Yates may have conscious to some degree, at some point, during the process of asphyxiation? Alas, there's no detail about the amount of vomit, or whether there was any sign of it around the mouth and throat. One would also like to know about the presence of any coffee, alcohol or food within the stomach. Then there's the vexing question of the time of death. Again, the assumption has been that Yates, discovered, apparently, on the afternoon of November 11th, died some time during the early hours of that Friday. But as there's no mention that the doctor determined such a timing, could he not equally have died any time on the Thursday after the chambermaid reported hearing him talking to himself that morning? |
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Oct-06-18
 | | offramp: Interesting about Yates's coffee/vomit. I'll sleep on it. |
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Oct-07-18
 | | MissScarlett: Birmingham Gazette, November 12th 1932, p.7:
<MR. F. D. YATES, the world famous chess player and British champion in 1931, was yesterday found dead in bed at the Avalon Apartment Hotel, in Coram-street, Bloomsbury, W.C.Detective-inspector Nunn, of Grays Inn-road, visited the hotel shortly afterwards, but not a letter was found in the dead man's room, neither was there any money. The story of the tragedy reveals the pluck of two young girls who assist the proprietress of the boarding-house. Miss Mabel Kennedy, who is in her teens, told a Gazette reporter that she took breakfast up to Mr. Yates' room on Thursday morning, and left it outside the door, but it was still there untouched yesterday. Apparently Mr. Yates was rather eccentric as well as a sort of recluse, for Miss Kennedy said it was "nothing unusual" to find that Mr. Yates did not eat his meal, and that he often stayed in his bedroom all day as well as night. "But as there were two letters for him in the afternoon," she explained, "I decided to take them up. As I reached the door, which was locked, I detected a strong smell of gas and receiving no answer to my knocks, I felt there was a tragedy inside because I knew he was there. "So I went downstairs to a maid and we took up a hatchet and other things with which we prised open the door. And there, poor fellow, he was as though asleep. I knew at once he was dead because there was blood from his mouth on the pillow as well as the smell of gas. [...]> |
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Oct-07-18
 | | MissScarlett: The Scotsman, November 12th 1932, p.16:
<One of the staff who was present at the tragic discovery told a reporter:- "He was most reserved and never entered into discussions with other residents. Ho was a man of meticulous habits, getting up each day between noon and one o'clock in time for lunch. Then he would go out, and we would probably see nothing of him until his breakfast was taken to him next morning. "So far as I understand, his father and mother are not living, but I think he has two sisters in Yorkshire. I do not think that anyone has seen him since Wednesday morning, when his breakfast was taken to him. On that occasion, he remarked to the maid who took it up, 'Are you going to the Lord Mayor's Show?' "That was the last we saw of him until he was found dead. "Yesterday morning we went upstairs with his breakfast, but on knocking at the door we could get no reply. We heard him groaning slightly, but were not unduly alarmed. "Practically the only people who had visited him here, were a gentleman and a youth with whom he used to play chess. Chess was an obsession with him. I think he was single, and between 40 and 44 years of age." A member of the City of London Chess Club , of which Mr Yates was a member , said:— "Mr Yates was last here about a fortnight ago, when he played a friendly game. He was a good sport, but losing tho championship to Sultan Khan was no doubt a great disappointment."> |
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Oct-12-18
 | | offramp: <Grays Inn-road>. I read a lot of Victorian literature.
It is very strange and very annoying that streets were written in that odd way: always with the hyphen. What’s with the hyphen fellas? BTW, in English we say “Oxford Street” and emphasise the OXFORD, and we say “Oxford Road” and emphasise the ROAD |
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Oct-12-18
 | | moronovich: <What’s with the hyphen fellas?> Perhaps they are´nt street wise !? |
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Nov-22-18
 | | MissScarlett: Well, I finally made it to <Coram-street> to pay homage to one of England's finest. Only five minutes walk from the match venue. |
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Nov-22-18 | | sudoplatov: Yates lifetime against Marshall was 0 wins, 5 losses, 7 draws. Marshall won all 5 with Black. Perhaps Breyer was studying this matchup. |
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May-10-20
 | | MissScarlett: <But this excerpt from the article in the <Nottingham Guardian> of November 15th, p.5...> Fred Dewhirst Yates (kibitz #74) Actually, the <Nottingham Evening Post>. |
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Jun-13-20
 | | OhioChessFan: <A dogged and tenacious player, he was a dangerous opponent to anyone. > I guess that's not the worst prose I've seen in a bio, but it's in the top 10. |
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Nov-20-20 | | Nosnibor: Yates also finished first equal in the 1911 British Championship with Atkins. However he lost the play-off match held in early 1912. |
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Nov-20-20 | | savagerules: I remember one of the Cavett tv interviews with Fischer in 1971 or 1972 where for some unknown reason Yates name was mentioned by Cavett and Fischer dismissed Yates as a hack player or something similar to it.
I like the part in the obit where they say Yates was very punctual and got up every day between noon and 1 pm and mainly stayed in his room. His lifestyle suggests that if he lived in these days Yates would have been an obsessive online game player, either chess and/or video games. |
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Nov-29-20
 | | FSR: <He managed to defeat most of the best players of his time at least once.> Looking at chessgames' records, I see that he never beat Lasker, Capablanca, or Marshall. He beat Bogoljubov, Rubinstein, Tarrasch, and Janowski thrice each; Alekhine, Euwe, Spielmann, Reti, Sultan Khan, and Gruenfeld twice each; and Nimzowitsch and Vidmar once each. I don't see any leading player who had a perfect score against Yates. He is the greatest player named <Fred> ever. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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Nov-29-20 | | Nosnibor: <FSR> Yates also beat Breyer and Mieses. I am sure that had your own first name not been extended you also would figure high up in this venerable list! |
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Nov-29-20
 | | MissScarlett: Yates did beat Lasker in a simul, when the latter visited Leeds in 1908 as part of his national tour, but the game hasn't come down to us. |
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Nov-30-20
 | | FSR: <Nosnibor> You are too kind. I do manage to be the highest-rated <Frederick>, but only because (1) my first USCF correspondence rating was a gaudy 2498 and (2) <Frederick> being a pretty old-fashioned name, most notable <Frederick>s, such as the Australian champion Frederick Karl Esling, lived before Elo ratings existed. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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Nov-30-20 | | Retireborn: Right, said Fred. Although I suppose one could argue that Friedrich Saemisch ought to count. |
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Feb-02-21
 | | beatgiant: On the current FIDE rankings, top ones are Federico Perez Ponsa (2554) and Frederik Svane (2421). Other historical ones that come to mind are Fridrik Olafsson and Fred Reinfeld. |
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Apr-12-22 | | pazzed paun: Describing the circumstances of his death
In the words of one strongest players. Ever too weigh more than 350 pounds
“Highly suspicious!” |
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