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Edward Winter
  
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Years covered: 1973 to 1974


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EDWARD WINTER
(born 1955) United Kingdom

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Edward Gerard Winter is a British journalist, archivist, collector, author and one of the world's most notable chess historians.

He is the author of several important books, including World Chess Champions (1981), CAPABLANCA: A Compendium of Games, Notes, Articles, Correspondence, Illustrations and Other Rare Archival Materials on the Cuban Chess Genius José Raúl Capablanca, 1888-1942 (1989), Chess Explorations (1996), Kings, Commoners and Knaves (1999), A Chess Omnibus (2003), and Chess Facts and Fables (2006).

Winter maintains the Chess History Center website (http://www.chesshistory.com), which hosts and archives his regular column, Chess Notes. He now lives in Switzerland.

sources: Chess Café - http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hans0...
Wikipedia article: Edward Winter (chess historian)

Last updated: 2016-10-11 23:55:59

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. J Simpole vs E Winter 1-0291973Casual gameC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
2. J S Rubin vs E Winter 0-1141974CasualA06 Reti Opening
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Apr-20-14
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  offramp: What is Mr T's favourite yoghurt?

A Petit Filou.

Apr-26-15
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  MissScarlett: Winter's in a wonderfully crotchety, if not splenetic mood. First, he's practically demanding an apology from Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Now, he's tearing into chess forums, in general, but, no doubt, this site, in particular:

<There are other possibilities too, of course, and of all the lessons to be learned from the shambolic, sprawling rumpus over ‘Vive la Différence’ (an article still being discussed by individuals who have not read it) a neglected one is mentioned here, in the context of any current issues (as opposed to history and lore): the lack of a proper on-line chess forum where topical controversies can be discussed in depth; where comprehensive and comprehensible coverage is founded on facts and informed opinions; where contributions bear the writer’s real name; where hearsay is absent; where wit is welcome but glib illiterates are not; where Internet links are supplied only if they lead to something worthwhile; where irrelevancy and repetition are avoided; where strong criticism of people and of ideas is expressed solely if based on substantiated information; where all relevant sources are cited; where points are not deemed true, or even noteworthy, merely because they come from the mainstream media; where press articles by non-chess-specialists are treated not with automatic gratitude but with particular caution; where misquotation is excoriated; where the debate, however lively, is moderated with rigorous even-handedness; where good linguistic standards are ensured; where contributors and readers are treated with the respect that they deserve; where anyone, including top-level masters, would be proud to have a contribution posted.

Wanted: one topical chess forum where 100% of the contributions are worth reading, and not 100 forums where 1% are.>

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Oh mate, the solution should be obvious: just put everyone else but me on ignore.

Apr-26-15
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <MissScarlett (current incarnation)> Yes ma'am; you're practically CG's unofficial Minister of Racial and Chess Hygiene.
May-21-16
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  Tabanus: I find Edward J. Winter born 1955 in Surrey, and Edward G. Winter born 1957 in Newcastle upon Tyne, Yorkshire.
May-21-16
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  MissScarlett: Do you have the initials of the parents of that Edward G? I think I may know the identity of Winter's parents, but am reluctant to publicise the full names because i)I might be wrong, ii)I might be right.

Do you have an email address that I could contact you on?

May-21-16
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  Tabanus: Only that the mother's maiden name was Pearson. But that may not be him, and my advice is: leave it as is.
May-21-16
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  MissScarlett: Somewhat gnomic advice. Newcastle, incidentally, isn't in Yorkshire.
May-21-16
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  Tabanus: I just copied from the ancestry source: "Inferred County: Yorkshire, Northumberland, Westmorland", but that's wrong. Anyway, I think that if Mr. Winter was interested in telling his details (it seems he is not), we would have known already.
Apr-01-20
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  MissScarlett: C.N. 11763:

<Owing to other commitments, it will be necessary for us to curtail the posting of new C.N. items as from the end of March 2020. Thereafter, additions to the main C.N. page and to feature articles will be possible only occasionally.

This announcement is made already now for the sake of good order, and for the particular benefit of any correspondents who are currently preparing a submission.

All C.N. pages, including the feature articles, will remain openly viewable on-line.>

If correct that Winter was born in 1955, that would make him ~65. Possibly that has something to do with his semi-retirement.

Apr-02-20
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  Telemus: Wanted to check whether <MS>'s posting was a Fools' Day contribution and detected C.N. 11755. This picture was posted here years ago. Does anyone remember where?
Apr-05-20  Granny O Doul: Five days into April and no new posts, so the odds it's a joke are diminishing. Too bad he should lay down his pen now just when he seemed on the verge of nailing down how to spell Frederick Yates's middle name.
Apr-05-20  Granny O Doul: That was a cheap shot. I apologize.
Apr-06-20  JimNorCal: I hope the poor fellow has not encountered a serious health issue
Apr-06-20
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  beatgiant: <Granny O Doul> Apologize? To whom? Is this a hint that one of our fellow kibitzers is none other than <Edward Winter>?

Since nobody can track down any details about Winter, and most kibitzers are fully anonymous, and Winter's quote about the forum posted above <Apr-26-15 MissScarlett> seems to show a lot of awareness of this forum, it all fits.

Apr-06-20  JimNorCal: I'm not so sure that Mr Winter is singling up CG dot com. My impression is that a LOT of chess sites match his description.
Jun-13-20
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  jith1207: Few more have been posted there, in 7-11 days interval.
Jun-14-20
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  OhioChessFan: Winter decrying irrelevancy...wow.

<Oh yes, that picture in a book out of print for 95 years lists the 6th place finisher in the East Timbuktu Open as "Schaffer", while other sources spell it "Shaffer".

Correspondents are encouraged to spend hours investigating this relevant matter. Please include your real name, Social Security Number, grandmother's maiden name, bank account number, Chessgames.com sign-on password, and <I'll mention you by name> in my column, surely the highlight of your life.>

Jun-15-20
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  MissScarlett: That's a bit harsh. Magnanimity in victory, and all that.
Jun-16-20
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Ohio,

The Hotel La Grande where the players stayed during the East Timbuktu Open has the entry 'Schaffer.'

So it's Schaffer. A note next to his name says he skedaddled before paying his hotel bill.

All details along with names of family pets (living and deceased) in the post.

Jun-17-20
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  OhioChessFan: A further take on Winter. He can cast aspersions on sites like cg.c, and be on target sometimes. I share his disdain for the countless "Once" anecdotes. But in the big picture, what has he given chess?

Cg.c is trying to slowly compile, correct, and present the history of chess. There are obviously going to be some warts created and eggs broken in the process.

Winter has compiled an unindexed encyclopedia of chess minutiae. Big deal.

Jun-17-20
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  saffuna: I have only read a tiny bit of Winter's criticism of this (fantastic and irreplaceable) site.

But my impression is that Winter criticizes chessgames for not being something that chessgames is simply not trying to be.

Jun-18-20  wharfrat: I doubt Winter was referring to this website specifically in C.N. 9254 as referenced in the 4/26/15 post from <MissScarlett>. But is chessgames.com trying to “compile, correct, and present the history of chess” as <OCF> suggests? Certainly some of its users are contributing quality material consistent with that mission but at the same time many others are uploading games with little or no historical value (not to mention the never-ending repetitive arguments that pop up everywhere and anywhere). I think Winter’s contribution to chess history has been immeasurable. While I don’t disagree that he can obsess over trivial matters, he has tackled many significant topics and has taken on some sacred cows along the way. He’s identified some basic precepts taught to journalists and historians and has asked that they be used when writing about chess. It’s not his fault that so many popular writers on the game don’t apply them. Lastly, I have found that Winter’s material to be very accessible. His books are extensively indexed and the “Chess Notes Factfinder” on his website works extremely well.
Jun-18-20
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  Ziryab: <wharfrat> Winter's screed most certainly applies to cg.com, although not specifically. His assertions about what is missing is true IMHO of every chess site in existence. But, he sets a standard above what is practiced in any area of human endeavor, especially in the digital age. Worthy of note, however, is that the same criticisms about quality of content were made against Gutenberg, too, for the leveling that printing made possible.

"Ninety percent of everything is crud." Theodore Sturgeon (1958)

Jul-03-20
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  OhioChessFan: Winter's books don't enter into the discussion. Winter whines about websites in his screed, and that is where I take issue with him. His Chess Notes is wildly entertaining, but ultimately fluff, an enormous encyclopedia of minutiae. You can't begin to compare his trivialities on his website with what goes on here. When researching anything chess related online, I'd estimate cg.c gets referenced 25 times as often as CN. I don't know what that says, but it surely says something. And I suspect that's the real source of Winter's vitriol.
Jul-26-20
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  MissScarlett: <Edward Winter’s Chess Notes: An Appreciation by John Hilbert>

https://www.patreon.com/posts/39630...

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