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|Oct-12-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi GiuocoPianoMan,
I don't get it. You enjoy the film, discover her grade and am now confused.
If you play over a game and are impressed and entertained by it but upon being told the winning player was 1600 do you then dislike the game.
It's the film industry it's all myths, legends and made up stuff.
(except of course for Superman, he's real.)
|Oct-12-16|| ||alexmagnus: WCM - probably got an automatic title by some result in the national or continental championship (for "non-automatic" WCM title you need a rating of 2000).|
|Oct-12-16|| ||clement41: To be frank, I don't quite understand all this fuss around this player. Admittedly, reaching an elo around 1600 (she is currently rated 1628 FIDE) when being a 20 years old woman who grew up in a Uganda slum and from such a tough background (chess-wise) is a great achievement, and perhaps a message of hope, but nothing here in my opinion justifies the fact that she is dubbed Queen of Katwe and even less the fact that she is officially considered "Woman CANDIDATE MASTER" (e.g., during the Baku Olympiads or on her fide personal page). Giving her this chess title together with such a massive awareness campaign is nothing but a political decision ("Affirmative Action" if I can say), and this will not help her improve her chess. It is also unfair vis-a-vis hundreds of thousands of chess players. Now, that may encourage many people take on the great game.
Chess is highly demanding and can be awkward; this is universal and puts everyone on an equal footing. Let's not make exceptions.|
|Oct-12-16|| ||alexmagnus: No exceptions here, the automatic title by certain results is always given (not that I ever liked it).|
|Oct-12-16|| ||Sally Simpson: The Queen of Katwe
The girl had nothing to with the title of the film this would have been the writers, producers and ad men.
They then add a bit of poetic license which they do in all films.
She comes from Katwe, Chess got her out of a slum into a nice house and put her though college where she is studying to become a paediatrician.
What do you want the film to be called?
"Don't believe a word it she is only 1600."
How can her story be unfair to hundreds of thousands of chess players.
The CM title?
You can buy a CM title even if you are 1100, it cost 5 euros.
Chess has changed her life for the good in such a dramatic way. Leave it at that. Don't nit-pick it, be happy for her.
|Oct-12-16|| ||GiuocoPianoMan: <>SALLYSIMPSON- Im asking a simple question- I didnt realize ANYONE could be a Candidate Master with a rating of 1600- the CM's I know are all 2000-2100.|
|Oct-13-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi GiuocoPianoMan,
Then your simple question has been answered, that's what we are here for.
Glad you are back to enjoying the film, I personally will not be going out of my way to watch it in the cinema. (I hate cinemas...room full of strangers and they turn the lights out!) I'll catch it on cable.
If they ever do 'Zombie Chess Players v Robotic Arbiters.' I might go to the cinema to see that.
|Oct-13-16|| ||alexmagnus: Sally, don't mix ACM title with actual CM, or, in this case, WCM. For WCM you need either a rating of 2000 or one of those achievements for which it is granted automatically.|
|Oct-13-16|| ||diceman: <Sally Simpson:
If they ever do 'Zombie Chess Players v Robotic Arbiters.'>
Robot Players vs. Zombie Arbiters, the
Borislav Ivanov Story.
|Oct-13-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Alex,
I knew that but a title is a title. You can pay 5 Euros and tell everyone you are a FIDE recognised Candidate Master. You would not be lying.
All one need do google all the historical inaccuracies attributed to the film industry (Troy is hopelessly wrong...Amongst many other lemons Paris survives and runs off with Helen!) then a minor transgression here like adding a title is small fry and should be overlooked even by the meanest nit-picker.
Boris v Deep Blue 'Battle of the Droids'.
|Oct-14-16|| ||kingscrusher: Magnus Carlsen likes the film made:
|Oct-14-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Thank You K.C.
The World Champion says he enjoyed it and apparently the chess scenes were spot on.
I notice he did not jump up in his seat screaming about her grade, then slash the seats, knock out an usherette, rip up his cinema ticket and run out of the theatre frantically looking for the nearest keyboard.
|Oct-14-16|| ||alexmagnus: As for how she got her WCM title: by scoring 50% (4.5/9) at the 2012 Women's Olympiad. |
It is one of those achievements you are given an automatic title for. Of course, the players she scored those were far from CM title. It were two wins against unrated players, one win against 1542, and draws against 1716, 1788 and 1806. The losses were to 1593, 2008 and 2057.
|Feb-06-17|| ||Joshka: <PhilFeeley> Since the film is a Disney production, I was surprised it kept a Christian tone. What ever possessed you to slam our President and NOT the former MUSLIM who was impersonating "a president" for the last 8 years is puzzling. Oh and if you want to say you were supporting Hillary and Bubba for the presidency, you are on a sinking ship there. The name CLINTON is now linked to extreme thievery. Most of the money raised by their supposed charity for Haiti did NOT go to Haiti. Between 93 and 96% were siphoned off by the the criminals themselves.|
|Sep-05-17|| ||alexrawlings: Watched the film <Queen of Katwe> last night. A really uplifting and inspiring film. |
I see quite a few people are bashing her low rating... this is an extract from her Wikipedia page <Commenting on one of her games from the 2010 Olympiad, British chess journalist John Saunders wrote that "Phiona's present playing standard is that of a modest but competent club player but, placed in the context of her environmental and educational deprivation, her achievement in reaching such a level has been awe-inspiring.>
I think that sums up her chess strength compared to your average player in the 1st world with access to all the privilege that brings, and it certainly should not detract from what she has achieved. I wonder what her rating would be had she grown up with a better start in life... in any case, a truly inspirational person.
|Sep-05-17|| ||twinlark: <alexrawlings>|
I loved the movie as well, but had to smile at the scene where she shows her mother the house they moved into out of the Katwe slums.
It's a recursive subplot, because she was able to buy the house from the proceeds of the money she received from Disney for the making of the movie that showed this scene!
This doesn't detract from her or the movie, but it is a beautiful conjunction of art and life.
|Dec-29-17|| ||gauer: Looks like she made the team for Wahingon's Northwest University on 2nd board at the 2017 Pan-American Intercollegiate Championship (this year it takes place at Columbus, Ohio, with a number of Canadian players playing not only for Canadian but also USA schools, along with some Latin-American countries in contention). Good luck in your studies and your play!|
|Dec-30-17|| ||PhilFeeley: It's good to hear she's at an American University, playing for their team now:|
|Dec-30-17|| ||PhilFeeley: P.S. Her page needs to be updated, including her games from the Collegiate team challenge.|
|Dec-30-17|| ||PhilFeeley: <Joshka: Since the film is a Disney production, I was surprised it kept a Christian tone. What ever possessed you to slam our President and NOT the former MUSLIM who was impersonating "a president" for the last 8 years is puzzling. Oh and if you want to say you were supporting Hillary and Bubba for the presidency, you are on a sinking ship there. > I never mentioned the Clintons because I didn't support them either. I'm more inclined toward Sanders or Jill Stein (I wish they would unite and form a new party. Long overdue.)|
I usually like your posts but the above is just drivel. Obama is NOT a Muslim, so I wish people would stop trying to spread that lie.
Apologies to all for the political tread. I'm well aware of the <Rogoff> page where this usually takes place, but I thought since Phiona is a Christian it wasn't entirely inappropriate here.
|Jan-08-18|| ||PhilFeeley: From a review of the book "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump Whitehouse" on counterpunch.org (https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/0...)|
<Nobody should be surprised by the “revelation” that Trump is a malignantly narcissistic “dotard” (Kim’s entertaining description) and dysfunctional “idiot.” That’s been clear to anyone who isn’t themselves a hopeless moron since the beginning of Trump’s political career, festooned with the ridiculous and racist charge that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States.>
|Aug-03-18|| ||alshatranji: The fact that the claim that Obama is a (former) Muslim is seen as damning by his opponents and a slur by his defenders tells as something (not very pleasant) about tolerance in America.|
|Aug-04-18|| ||perfidious: <alshatranji>, underneath the surface patina, there is far too much intolerance here in USA, and certain posters who might not dare voice their views openly take pleasure in wishing for the extermination of people whom they have never met, under cover of their keyboards.|
Here's hoping for a world without prejudice, where people are accepted without regard for their religious views; but I daresay that will not come off in my lifetime. Hopefully good will win over evil and such people as Phiona Mutesi will be looked upon with high regard for their achievements and integrity as human beings, rather than being treated with contempt for what they are not.
|Feb-18-20|| ||monopole2313: Nikita Pearl,Waligwa, who played Phiona in "Queen of Katwe," passed away from a brain tumor. She was just 15.|
|Feb-18-20|| ||MissScarlett: Not quite correct...|
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