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| Jul-17-13 | | sneaky pete: <thomastonk> About the text HIER LIGT HEIN
ZIJN WAS ZIJN
I had never seen this one before. No doubt Donner wrote it himself. Two things you maybe didn't know: First, it's a wink to the most famous epitaph in Dutch literature, written by De Schoolmeester on the poet Hubert Korneliszoon Poot: Hier ligt Poot
Hij is dood
Second, Donner was an ardent student of Heidegger (Sein und Zeit) all his life. So we must translate the epitaph in German HIER LIIEGT HEIN
SEIN WAR SEIN
which even improves the rhyme, a clear indication that we are on the right track. The second Sein, and maybe the first one too, is of course the Heideggerian Sein. Now withdraw in a log cabin in the Bavarian woods and contemplate the text for 30 or 40 years, and let us know if and what you found out. |
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| Jul-18-13 | | thomastonk: <sneaky pete> Thank you for your thoughts. It's true, I didn't know De Schoolmeester and Hubert Kornelisz Poot before. These epitaphs are really bestechend. But I knew a little bit (and not more) of Donner's preference for Heidegger and 'Sein und Zeit' from 'Na mijn dood geschreven', and I know Heidegger's relation to Todtnau and so I see where the log cabin has its origin. ;-) More than ten years ago I rent there a room for a week around Easter, but on the second day I fled to Deidesheim, a very friendly and sunny place and probably the best Rießling area in Germany. There are not too many destinations I would like to travel to nowadays, but your famous library is among them. |
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Aug-03-13
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" The passed pawn has a soul, desires, and fears. "
-J.H. Donner |
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| Mar-05-14 | | Volmac: Quote from Donner in "The King (English 2nd ed 2008) - article "Fifty":
- My case happens to be less harrowing than it would have been if I had been totally dependent on the Dutch chess World, but not everyone gets the chance of marrying a rich woman.
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I am curious, do you know if this statement was true? Was Donner financially independent? Or is this just another example of Donner's self-irony? |
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| Mar-05-14 | | Gryz: Donner is from a rich family himself.
He was the uncle of Piet Hein Donner, who is a 5-time minister in recent Dutch cabinets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet_H...
I believe the Donner family has produced a number of judges and politicians. Piet Hein (the minister) always seemed like a huge dick to me. So I bet the whole family is old-style old-money nose-in-the-air us-knows-us. So I always assumed that Donner indeed was married to a rich woman. |
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| Jul-02-14 | | sneaky pete: Donner talking about his favourite subject, the blunder, during the Oegstgeest 1970 quadrangular (starts around minute 8, after Larsen in pyjama doing a Walter Browne imitation) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39yB... |
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| Jul-02-14 | | Gryz: Thanks for that link. Very interesting and entertaining. Surprise to hear Larsen speak Dutch. He is almost fluent, he only has a little accent. The whole episode is in Dutch. Not interesting for anyone who doesn't understand Dutch at all. |
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Jul-02-14
 | | Stonehenge: Well, Bent Larsen in pajamas, doing a Browne in time trouble imitation (around 6:20), is quite funny. |
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Jul-02-14
 | | perfidious: Having sat across the board from Browne in his time trouble, it is not at all difficult to picture Larsen's parody. |
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| Jul-02-14 | | zanzibar: <The Youth Council of salsa dancing poured out of place> Watching that clip with CC Dutch->English is quite hilarious: https://zanchess.wordpress.com/wp-a... |
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Jul-06-14
| | Penguincw: R.I.P. GM Jan Donner. |
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| Nov-04-14 | | Osbourne Cox: An excerpt from Sosonkos "Smart chip from St. Petersburg" (p.162):
"When he was small his family called him Heini , and
when he grew older , Hein. He would get very angry if you called
him anything else. ' Remember , ' he always said, ' my name is
Donner , and to my few friends - Hein ; no one ever calls me ]an
or ]an Hein , and I don ' t want anyone to call me that . '" |
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| Nov-04-14 | | Osbourne Cox: He must have had a sense of foreboding, because he joked and laughed about it (another excerpt from p.188):
"Ah,there's only one of me, and when I die, there won't be another.
You know all the great men in history were known by just their
first name - Rembrandt, Leonardo, Michelangelo. When I die,
they'll call me Hein, just Hein, and everyone will know who they
mean,' and, craning his neck, he imitated laughter, 'ha, ha, ha...'". At least the "Hein-Donner-Bridge" in Amsterdam is not named "Jan-Hein-Donner-Bridge" ... |
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| Nov-04-14 | | kellmano: <You know all the great men in history were known by just their first name - Rembrandt, Leonardo, Michelangelo>. To name but three. I could go on of course, but there is really no need. Actually, I can think of one more - Napoleon. |
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| Nov-04-14 | | john barleycorn: And some just had one name. Sokrates etc. |
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| Nov-04-14 | | kellmano: Don't know about Socrates, but Plato was a nickname of sorts. I remember reading a book that said it was unclear whether this was chosen because he had broad shoulders (he was a wrestler) or a flat head, but it was probably the former. I elect to believe the latter. |
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| Dec-25-14 | | TheFocus: <You cannot compare chess with anything. A lot of things can be compared with chess, but chess is just chess.> — Jan Hein Donner (1959. |
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May-09-15
 | | offramp: I really liked this one, Donner talking about the magic of the <touch piece> rule: <"In the split second you touch the piece, you’ll see more than you saw in the past 30 minutes you spent studying the position."> That's pretty funny. |
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| May-11-15 | | TheFocus: <This sacrifice of a pawn nowadays is only played for drawing purposes. Especially against the very strongest masters it has proved to be quite useful to this end> - 1966 on the Marshall - Jan Hein Donner. |
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| May-13-15 | | TheFocus: <I love all positions. Give me a difficult positional game, I will play it. But totally won positions, I cannot stand them> - Jan Hein Donner. |
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| May-19-15 | | TheFocus: <He was a figure one would least expect to encounter at a chess tournament. Much more likely one could see him as presiding judge of a court, or delivering a philosophy lecture, or in Parliament, depending on the garment he would be wearing> - (on Donner) - Grigor Piatigorsky. |
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| May-25-15 | | TheFocus: <Everything that he said was exceptionally interesting , but it was all untrue!> - Bent Larsen on Jan Hein Donner. |
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| Jan-27-18 | | Osbourne Cox: From Wikipedia:
"My name is J. H. Donner, 'Hein' for friends. 'Jan-Hein' was an unseemly joke of malicious sport journalists, but that's not my name, it never was and it never will be."
Dutch: "Jan-Hein" was een misplaatste grap van kwaadwillende sportsjournalisten, maar zo heet ik niet, heb ik nooit geheten... Donner, Van Vroeger, Bakker, 1989 ISBN 9789035105898, p. 152. |
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| Jul-13-18 | | Retireborn: NiC are selling the paperback version of The King for a knockdown price (10 eu) if anybody's interested. |
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| Mar-11-19 | | Retireborn: I had a dream in which I was talking to Hein, and I asked him very politely, "why did you dislike Prins so much?" I woke up before he could answer. |
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