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|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: <bishop b> i think the rules were the same by 1834 in england and france in any case-thanks for governator info |
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: jan 8-sadly i shall be in gibraltar for a few days but i shall promote the trip by kasparov vigorously in my times column |
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: klitschkos-interesting idea-thanks |
|Dec-15-04|| ||AdrianP: <Ray> You might want to check out this interview with Garry Kasparov here http://www.chesscafe.com/misha/gkin...|
He credits your post to www.chesschamps.com with having (at least partially) persuaded him to completely re-arrange the OMGP series to make room for Reshevsky and Larsen.
|Dec-15-04|| ||acirce: Yes, that was a good thing. Kasparov's anti-Western bias was showing way too clearly there. Thanks Ray! |
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: montesquieu who experimented on sheeps tongues and wrote lesprit des lois is the other french intellectual giant of the times i shd have mentioned|
bulgarian ashtray gambit---and---
how i almost killed penrose
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: ref kasparov and his books-i detect his win v svidler from the russian championship to be directly inspired by reshevskys little known win v botvinnik from moscow 1955 which i had advised garry to study!!what do you all think? |
|Dec-15-04|| ||cu8sfan: <ray keene> Are those the games you're talking about?|
Kasparov vs Svidler, 2004
Reshevsky vs Botvinnik, 1955
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: yes those are the two games-just read the kasprov interview-it was good to get the credit from the horses mouth as it were for restoring reshevsky to his rightful place |
|Dec-15-04|| ||ray keene: reverting briefly to the basman smyslov game-the analysis going up at the game itself is all interesting and instructive-to be honest at 36 years distance i dont recall whether we thought basman had missed a forced win or a forced draw! |
|Dec-15-04|| ||Lawrence: <Mr. Keene>, can you tell us anything about Jordi Puig, the man who started the Chess Oscars? I was told yesterday that he had been a first-class cyclist. Did he actually play chess? |
|Dec-15-04|| ||SBC: Speaking of chess in nationalistic terms...
if carried too far becomes a caricature, but I think certain things can be safely generalized. The French and the English seemed to have been very different culturally judging from the way chess was conducted. The French seemed to love their noisey, informal cafes and their coffehouse style of play. They seemed to gather together for the sake of comaraderie and part of that included a game of chess or two. On the other hand, the British seemed more reserved and more purposeful. They tended to like quiet clubs more than the boisterous cafes and even the famous English coffeehouses gave me the impression of a club-like atmosphere. In England, it seemed that the people didn't get together so much for the companionship as for the activity, and the companionship followed. So, while at the turn of the century, the French were much stronger, they were less organized. Eventually the value of organization (availability of books, systematic analysis, etc) gave the British the upper hand. (While in the background, the Germans were doing much the same thing but with possibly an even greater sense of purpose, hence the surprise of Anderssen in 1851). England also had the benefit of players who migrated there. It seems that while scores of players made a point of passing through Paris, the ones that came to England often ended up staying there. This might have had something more to do with the political scene at the time than anything.
Though I'm not totally convinced that Staunton demonstrated complete dominance over St. Amant in their second match, I do think Staunton's contributions to chess, both in England and in general, were probably greater than those of anyone else in the 19th century and he should be remembered, far more than for his masterly chess play, for his innovative thinking.
|Dec-15-04|| ||IMlday: Interesting, but perhaps being French or English was probably less a factor than having the Scot (alias) Philidor
in Paris to explain pawns to them? |
|Dec-15-04|| ||Ultra: <ray keene> "yes those are the two games-just read the kasprov interview-it was good to get the credit from the horses mouth as it were for restoring reshevsky to his rightful place"|
I read that in the interview, Ray. I agree with you. Very nicely done and I, too, enjoyed reading GK's mentioning of your letter. :)
|Dec-15-04|| ||SBC: I don't know if it had so much to do with being French or English or any other nationality as it did being in France or England or elsewhere since it wasn't one's nationality that mattered as much as did the culture of the locale. Or at least that's what I'm seeing. |
Then you are telling me indirectly that Danican is of Scottish origin? It does sound Scottish.
|Dec-16-04|| ||ray keene: danican is derived from scottish name duncan
philidor was said to be an old (musical) family nickname that stuck
it happened a lot too with artists and craftsmen of the renaissance like botticelli or verocchio ( true eye) which werent their real names at all just nicknames.
i agree with almost everything <sbc> writes-most perceptive-but its absolutely clear to me that in his three big 1840's matches staunton annihilated st amant horwitz and harrwitz- anyone who played and won three such marathons in a three year period against comparable modern opposition wd be regarded as a highly convincing champion.
after 1846 staunton rested on his laurels and played no serious chess for five years-by the time he organised london 1851 anderssen was by far the superior player.
|Dec-16-04|| ||ray keene: HOW I NEARLY KILLED PENROSE
at the siegen olympiad england was in the same prelim section as yugoslavia and andorra. we were heading for the b group-ie coming third-when disaster struck in the game penrose-ulvestad from england v andorra match.
penrose had been winning but had a mental blackout during the game and made a weak move-he turned to me and said he had probably lost a piece -and then -suddently-in mid game he fainted and fell to the floor. i grabbed him-i am quite big-he is tiny-dragged him to a chair and positioned him there bolt upright. i was puzzled that his face appeared to be turning dark green to black.
recognising that first aid was at the outer limits of my competence i decided to use what skills i did possess and called out in loud german-for siegen is in germany-gibts vielleicht ein Arzt hier oder jemand der first aid versteht?
at this moment a polite young man leapt out of the audience and said-vat your are doingk eez keeling heem! i asked why and he said that by making him sit up right i was draining the blood from his head-indeed penrose had now turned an alarming shade of black
-the german continued-ve must lay him down on ze floor zen he vil be ok, ja!
so we picked him up from the chair and put him flat on the ground-at which point colour returned to his face-and he eventually recovered.
the game with ulvestad was discontinued and resigned-penrose went home and england ended up in-and won-the c group-our worst ever olympiad result until calvia this year.
|Dec-16-04|| ||suenteus po 147: <ray keene> Thank Gott for multi-lingual skills! Penrose must have mixed feelings about that Olympiad. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||cu8sfan: Vat a funny story! Ha-ha-ha! (-: Especially ze part about ze German guy's accent!|
If you still don't know how to perform first aid: http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cf...
|Dec-16-04|| ||ray keene: i sometimes wonder how german speakers might render in german what it sounds like to hear an englishman speaking their language. i have never seen this. i am aware that when i speak german i must do so with an english accent and doubtless intonation as well.any native german speakers out there who wd care to try? |
|Dec-16-04|| ||euripides: I am British, speak a bit of German, and once tried reading a Flemish newspaper out loud to a native Flemish speaker. He broke out laughing and said I sounded like a German with a very heavy accent. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||cu8sfan: Ik habe mik imma gefuagt wie ein Doitscha schuaiben wurde, wie es tont wenn ain Englander doitsch spuicht.|
It's not easy, <ray keene>. I have never seen it before, I just made that up.
|Dec-16-04|| ||euripides: Tue nicht Menschen den Krieg. |
|Dec-16-04|| ||clendenon: Ihr werdet horen von Kriegen und Kriegsgeschei; Sehet zu und erschrecket nicht.... |
|Dec-16-04|| ||ray keene: that sounds like brecht-mutter courage? |
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