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Berthold Suhle

Number of games in database: 32
Years covered: 1858 to 1864
Overall record: +13 -14 =4 (48.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1 exhibition game, blitz/rapid, odds game, etc. is excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 King's Gambit Accepted (5) 
    C33 C39
With the Black pieces:
 Evans Gambit (6) 
    C51
 Ruy Lopez (4) 
    C71 C62 C70 C60
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   Anderssen vs B Suhle, 1859 0-1
   V Knorre vs B Suhle, 1864 0-1
   Anderssen vs B Suhle, 1864 0-1
   Anderssen vs B Suhle, 1864 0-1


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BERTHOLD SUHLE
(born Jan-01-1837, died Jan-26-1904, 67 years old) Germany

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Dr. Berthold Suhle won a match with Bartolomeo Forlico (11.5 : 9.5) at Venice 1858, lost to Adolf Anderssen (+0 –5 =2) at Cologne 1859 and (+13 –27 =8) in Breslau from April to September 1859, won against baron Bernhard von Guretzky-Cornitz (+6 –1 =3) at Berlin 1860, drew with Anderssen (+3 –3 =2) at Berlin 1864, and beat Philipp Hirschfeld (+7 –0 =2) at Berlin 1865.

Wikipedia article: Berthold Suhle


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 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 32  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. B Suhle vs B Forlico  1-0221858VeneziaC31 King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit
2. B Suhle vs NN 1-0231858Blindfold simul, 8bC39 King's Gambit Accepted
3. Anderssen vs B Suhle 1-0121859BreslauC60 Ruy Lopez
4. B Suhle vs A Schlieper  1-0231859Godesberg, BonnC51 Evans Gambit
5. B Suhle vs A Schlieper  1-0371859Godesberg, BonnC52 Evans Gambit
6. A Schlieper vs B Suhle  0-1231859Godesberg, BonnC51 Evans Gambit
7. A Schlieper vs B Suhle  0-1271859Godesberg, BonnC56 Two Knights
8. B Suhle vs Anderssen 0-1201859CologneC44 King's Pawn Game
9. B Suhle vs Anderssen 1-0321859BreslauB20 Sicilian
10. B Suhle vs Anderssen 0-1251859BreslauA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
11. Anderssen vs B Suhle 1-0351859BreslauC44 King's Pawn Game
12. B Suhle vs Anderssen 0-1491859CologneB42 Sicilian, Kan
13. Anderssen vs B Suhle 0-1251859BreslauC59 Two Knights
14. Anderssen vs B Suhle 0-1391859BreslauC39 King's Gambit Accepted
15. Anderssen vs B Suhle 1-0271859BreslauC62 Ruy Lopez, Old Steinitz Defense
16. Anderssen vs B Suhle  ½-½651859BreslauC33 King's Gambit Accepted
17. B Suhle vs Anderssen 0-1271859BreslauC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
18. B Suhle vs Anderssen  ½-½371859CologneC33 King's Gambit Accepted
19. B von Guretzky-Cornitz vs B Suhle  1-0251860MatchC29 Vienna Gambit
20. Anderssen vs B Suhle 1-02318600.28C51 Evans Gambit
21. Hirschfeld / Von Guretsky vs B Suhle  1-0321860Casual gameC25 Vienna
22. Anderssen vs B Suhle 1-0331864BerlinB20 Sicilian
23. B Suhle vs Anderssen ½-½561864Berlin m3B40 Sicilian
24. Anderssen vs B Suhle  ½-½551864BerlinC51 Evans Gambit
25. B Suhle vs Anderssen 0-1331864Berlin m/6C33 King's Gambit Accepted
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Kibitzer's Corner
Mar-28-05  aragorn69: This player is one of the discoveries / absurdities of the new chessmetrics.com site.

<<Best World Rank: #1 (20 different months between the June 1865 rating list and the February 1867 rating list )>

<Highest Rating: 2731 on the January 1866 rating list, #1 in world, age 29y0m>

<Best Individual Performance: 2772 in Hirschfeld-Suhle Match (Berlin), 1865, scoring 8/9 (89%) vs 2599-rated opposition>>

Mar-28-05  aragorn69: All this, in fact, because he destroyed 8/9 an other unknown master by the name of Hirschfeld, supposedly rater 2599 at the time, in an obscure (none of the games appear in this database) match of 1865...
Mar-28-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: But <Adolf Anderssen beat Berthold Suhle 6 to 5, with 3 draws.* Based on games present in our database; may not be complete.> With such a record against Anderssen, Suhle obviously was not a pushover.
Mar-28-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: Problem with Sonas numbers is not his formulas, but that his samples are very bursty and have significant ommisions. This is certainly true for the data from 100+ years ago and probably the war eras as well.
May-03-05  edsauced: In chessmetrics, Suhle only has 4 tournaments listed: 1.- Destroyed 17-31 by Anderssen in 1859
2.- Wins 7.5-2.5 a match vs. an unrated player (Von Guretzky) in 1860. Until now nothing special, maybe he is a player #10 or so in the world, but after 3 years of inactivity, he losses his rating, and gets a new one based on 2 good results. 3.- Draw 4-4 a match vs. Anderssen 1864.
4.- Blows 8-1 a rated player (Hirchfeld) in 1865, catapulting him to #1 of the world. After that he disappears from tournaments. Anyone can explain me how these last 17 games outweigh the whopping in 48 games in the first Anderssen match.
May-20-05  fgh: Another mysterious player :-)
Oct-05-08  Agent Bouncy: Does anyone know where to find the scores of the Suhle-Hirschfeld match games?
Feb-02-09  Mibelz: Berthold Suhle was born in Stolp (S³upsk, Pommerania, then Kingdom of Prussia, now Poland), studied philosophy, philology and nature in Berlin (1855-1957) and Bonn (1857-1859), and was named a professor in 1895.

He won a match with Bartolomeo Forlico (11.5 : 9.5) at Venice 1858, lost to Adolf Anderssen (+0 –5 =2) at Cologne 1859 and (+13 –27 =8) in Breslau from April to September 1859, won against Bernhard von Guretzky-Cornitz (+6 –1 =3) at Berlin 1860, drew with Anderssen (+3 –3 =2) at Berlin 1864, and beat Philipp Hirschfeld (+7 –0 =2) at Berlin 1865.

Aug-19-12  Karpova: On December 20, 1858, he scored +6 =2 in a blindfold exhibition in Berlin. At the age of 21, he had already given a 4-games blindfold exhibition in Venice.

Source: Page 38 of the 1905 'Wiener Schachzeitung'

Aug-30-16  SBC:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/...

Mar-21-21  Jean Defuse: ...

Suhle's first name is <Carl Friedrich Berthold>!

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Mar-21-21  Z legend of CG: <Jean Defuse> Just curious - is there a ref for that?
Mar-21-21  Jean Defuse: ...

Renette & Zavatarelli - Neumann, Hirschfeld and Suhle, p. 27 - see: http://www.edochess.ca/players/p38....

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Mar-21-21  Z legend of CG: Great, thanks a lot - I've have a look.

Though I think the literature of the time used Berthold (or some close proximity of it):

https://books.google.com/books?id=2...

https://books.google.com/books?id=E...

The full name is of note in his bio, but I think the PGN should stick with Berthold Suhl. .

Mar-21-21  Z legend of CG: Oh yeah, let's not forget how Suhle signed his own name in publications:

https://books.google.com/books?id=H...

Mar-22-21  Nosnibor: Their seems to be a lot of Suhle searching here.
Mar-22-21  Z4all: <Nosnibur> Suhle searching?!

Suhlely you jest!

Mar-22-21  Nosnibor: <Z4all:> Well bless my soul, but never the less how did you guess?
Mar-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Problem with Sonas numbers is not his formulas, but that his samples are very bursty and have significant ommisions. This is certainly true for the data from 100+ years ago and probably the war eras as well.>

True, but his formulae may also be problematic. Oh yes, and his website hasn't been updated in 15 years.

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