< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
|Feb-17-10|| ||whiteshark: Born on Febr. 17, 1938
|May-22-10|| ||CapablancaFan122: I was looking at the famous Fischer vs Myagmarsuren, 1967 game and ended up in Myagmarsuren's page. I was surprised to see that he's from Mongolia. I always thought he was Scandinavian.|
|May-22-10|| ||Peter Nemenyi: LM wasn't Fischer's first Mongolian opponent, since he beat S. Purevzhav at Varna in 1962. That was the game in which (according to Soltis) Bobby was so confused by Purevzhav's name he just entered "Fischer" and "A Mongolian" at the top of his scoresheet.|
|May-22-10|| ||Benzol: <Peter Nemenyi> It's interesting that Bobby isn't listed in the S Purevzhav games file. Is the game listed as played by some other opponent?|
|May-22-10|| ||Benzol: Might be this one Fischer vs Purevhav, 1962|
|May-23-10|| ||Peter Nemenyi: Yes, that's the game. Well spotted.|
|May-23-10|| ||Fusilli: <<Peter Nemenyi> That was the game in which (according to Soltis) Bobby was so confused by Purevzhav's name he just entered "Fischer" and "A Mongolian" at the top of his scoresheet.>|
Well, "confused" must be Soltis' kind, and subservient, way to put it, but this is just one more piece of evidence of how rude (and in this case probably also racist) Fischer was. I wonder if he wrote "A Jew" when he played Botvinnik or "A black guy" whenever he played any.
My last name is Sana, and it annoys me when, in tournaments, my opponent handles me their scoresheet and asks me to write down my name. Do they forget a freaking four-letter name on the walk from the round pairings board to the playing table? As a sign of respect, I always remember or write down my opponents name. Worst I've done was to ask GM Kidambi Sundararajan to confirm that I had spelled his name correctly, but first I gave it a try, I didn't ask him to be my secretary.
To ask your opponent to write down his name on your own scoresheet sends the message "you don't exist to me", or, to say the least, "I am too lazy to bother". Guess which of the two Fischer intended? He could have looked up his opponent's name, but no, he was <Fischer> and his opponent was <A Mongolian>.
|May-24-10|| ||diceman: <Fusilli:
Guess which of the two Fischer intended? He could have looked up his opponent's name, but no, he was <Fischer> and his opponent was <A Mongolian>>
Im glad you've shown your complete ignorence of the story.
Well, I'll let you get back to hating white people.
|May-24-10|| ||Fusilli: <diceman> Huh? In one sentence you accused me of racist and ignorant, without the slightest evidence of either. And all that in the most cryptic way. And anonymously, of course. So easy and cowardly to post insults on the internet. Grow up.|
|May-24-10|| ||Jim Bartle: Fusilli: diceman doesn't like to go into the substance of a story, just toss around insults such as referring to the "ignorence" of others. Take a look on the Rogoff page.|
|May-24-10|| ||micartouse: I agree with Fusilli about the value of showing respect. My last name is really long and whacked out, and I couldn't care less if people misspelled it or asked me for the spelling. But I'm surprised that it's usually titled players (who I wouldn't expect to give me the time of day) who come to the board with my name already spelled out correctly. Though I'm not protective of my name, I appreciate attempts at honorable combat - it shows respect for yourself and for the game.|
|May-24-10|| ||diceman: <Fusilli:
Huh? In one sentence you accused me of racist and ignorant>
Yes here the racist part:
<(and in this case probably also racist) >
Your words not mine.
Ignorance refers to your lack of knowledge of the facts
All the writing was in Cyrillic so Fischer could not just read wall charts or
signs to get the name.
He asked the guy but he couldn’t speak English.
I would assume there was a rule that your score sheet had to be filled
out. (he assumed “A Mongolian” would do until the officials were
brought into the mix later)
My guess is had the same circumstances happened with an
“Italian“, “A German“. He would have done the same thing.
You also brought up your experience with your own name.
I would suggest you bring that up with them.
My points are simple:
Know what you are talking about.
(before you start implying racism)
Don’t blame Fischer for the way your opponents treat you.
When you fall for the simple crutch:
White guy vs. other guy = racism.
Some may think you’re the racist.
|Jun-15-10|| ||al wazir: Fischer knew the Cyrillic alphabet. He subscribed to a Russian-language chess periodical. (I think it was _Shakhmaty v SSSR_.) He probably couldn't read much more than the names of the players and the pieces, but he had to be able to read that much.|
|Sep-21-10|| ||Fusilli: <al wazir> Thank you. I do remember reading that Fischer knew the Cyrillic alphabet and consulted Russian chess literature. |
<micartouse> Nice to know your experience with your name and the behavior of titled players. I remember reading in a British chess magazine a column written by a coach who said he advised his students to ask with a straight face for their opponent's name no matter how famous their opponent was ("even if it is Kasparov" he wrote). He clarified that this was to send the message that they didn't respect the opponent, so as to get an upper psychological hand. What a pathetic kind of advice to give to kids. "Grow up to be a total douchebag" would equally do.
|Sep-22-10|| ||BobCrisp: And this coach had a name?|
|Sep-22-10|| ||Fusilli: <BobCrisp> I apologize I don't remember the name. I was looking at that magazine at a Barnes & Noble store and didn't buy it. It was years ago...|
|Apr-18-11|| ||eternaloptimist: Interestingly enough this guy has the same birthday as my dad...including the same year! I c that he beat nezh & Ivkov...impressive!|
|Jun-05-11|| ||Llawdogg: Even more interesting is that this guy is playing on ICC under the handle Shatar as recently as yesterday.|
|Oct-16-12|| ||Rio Mike: He's still playing!|
|Nov-07-12|| ||Conrad93: Fusilli, that's a nice psychological method. I should try that next time.|
|May-24-14|| ||jerseybob: Aren't the names written on the wall chart with the pairings?|
|Jun-20-15|| ||offramp: STUFFED CAULIFLOWER À LA MYAGMARSUREN
Take a pan covered by some white sauce. Take two or three nutmeg and green cabbages, making a paste,; let it froth; secondly, sprinkle into a cordial, and put them back in milk to make a mustard-spoonful of chopped herbs, a man to it with salt, pepper. Put all the barley in it.
THE CALF IN PARADISE
Now lay them well in the pan a moment and let it in with the shovel.
Add to the OEUFS CELESTES (Hommage à Sir Edward Grey) and gently stew till it has been wet.
|Jun-10-16|| ||Nosnibor: <eternaloptimist> He also beat Bilek twice and Bisguier and Larsen were also amongst his victims.|
|Apr-29-17|| ||Poisonpawns: "Shatar" on ICC|
|Jan-23-19|| ||SkySports: Still playing tournaments in 2019...
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·