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Dragoljub Baretic
D Baretic 
 
Number of games in database: 70
Years covered: 1957 to 1992
Last FIDE rating: 1981
Highest rating achieved in database: 2131
Overall record: +23 -38 =9 (39.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games.

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A81 Dutch (4 games)
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C72 Ruy Lopez, Modern Steinitz Defense, 5.O-O (2 games)
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DRAGOLJUB BARETIC
(born Apr-04-1936, died Mar-21-2018, 81 years old) Yugoslavia (federation/nationality Serbia)

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FIDE Master Baretic was a blind player from Serbia.

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Last updated: 2021-04-04 07:05:31

 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 70  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. D Baretic vs Uremovic 1-0181957YUGC35 King's Gambit Accepted, Cunningham
2. D Baretic vs W Nicolai  1-0221961HastingsC29 Vienna Gambit
3. A R B Thomas vs D Baretic  ½-½401962Hastings-BC63 Ruy Lopez, Schliemann Defense
4. B H Wood vs D Baretic  1-0461962Hastings-BA62 Benoni, Fianchetto Variation
5. D Baretic vs K Dahl  1-0391962Hastings-BB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
6. D Baretic vs S Hamann 0-1631962Hastings-BB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
7. D Baretic vs B Cafferty 1-0581962Hastings-BB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
8. D Baretic vs O M Hindle  1-0411962Hastings-BB06 Robatsch
9. Milner-Barry vs D Baretic 0-1321962Hastings-BC39 King's Gambit Accepted
10. D Baretic vs W Nicolai  ½-½511962Hastings-BD01 Richter-Veresov Attack
11. B Brinck-Claussen vs D Baretic  1-0531962Hastings-BC41 Philidor Defense
12. M Todorcevic vs D Baretic  0-1341962ImperiaC63 Ruy Lopez, Schliemann Defense
13. D Baretic vs Svetislav Andjelkovic  1-0381962ImperiaB01 Scandinavian
14. H Reyss vs D Baretic  0-1231962ImperiaD34 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
15. D Baretic vs H Catozzi  0-1191963Hastings-B 6364C29 Vienna Gambit
16. D Baretic vs A Phillips  1-0341963Hastings-B 6364C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
17. D Baretic vs H Juehe  1-0401963Hastings-B 6364A00 Uncommon Opening
18. John M Taylor vs D Baretic  ½-½491963Hastings-B 6364A81 Dutch
19. O Kinnmark vs D Baretic  1-0201963Hastings-B 6364C63 Ruy Lopez, Schliemann Defense
20. Y Mashian vs D Baretic  1-0531963Hastings-B 6364C74 Ruy Lopez, Modern Steinitz Defense
21. J A Lawrence vs D Baretic  ½-½601963Hastings-B 6364A16 English
22. D Baretic vs N Gaprindashvili  0-1521963Hastings-B 6364B06 Robatsch
23. D Baretic vs A R B Thomas  0-1411963Hastings-B 6364B14 Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik Attack
24. D Baretic vs D Ugrinovic  ½-½521966Vrnjacka BanjaC05 French, Tarrasch
25. D Baretic vs B Ivanovic  ½-½541968YUG-ch 23rdB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
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Jul-18-03  Chess Champ: Dragoljub Baretic That's my boy.
Jul-19-03  sleepkid: ...damn, some smooth shades. I wish I could be as cool as that at the chess board. I also wish my name was Dragoljub. . . So what happened to this guy? His last published rating (FIDE 2001) is 2139 but shows him as being inactive? Did he pass away?
Aug-22-03  slimslam: Dragoljub is still alive.

In September I may phone the institution where he lives...

Aug-22-03  bunti: What kind of institution is that?
Aug-22-03  slimslam: It's a home for the blind in Vojvojdina.
Aug-23-03  sleepkid: ...what is Dragoljub's particular claim to fame? Has he been blind for quite some time? Was he a blind chess player even back in the 60's?
Oct-22-03  Benjamin Lau: You've got to admire the guy, he plays blindfold games all the time...
Oct-23-03
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: Thumbing through the "Official Rules of Chess" one day, I learned that blind players are allowed a special handicap that no other players are allowed: they can use a special board to the side of the real one, with Braille tiles for pieces. As if that's not enough, the touch rule doesn't apply to them. (Does this mean they can analyze on their Braille set by sliding the tiles around?)

In any case, the best blind players, like Baretic, spurn this priviledge.

Oct-23-03
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: Ah, I see, the touch rule does apply to them, just in a different fashion: <2. On the visually handicapped player's board a piece shall be considered "touched" when it has been taken out of the securing aperture.> http://www.crisscrosstech.com/usbca...
Dec-08-05  lentil: intriguing philosophical question... does a blind player 'visualise' the board? i think this question might apply only to players who were born sighted. what about players who were born blind? how do they represent the board in their mind?
Dec-08-05  dakgootje: <lentil> Which is about as difficult to answer as how they 'see' things, or for them imagine how humans or animals would look like. Maybe they 'see' things as being emotions or as cold and hot and such things so its even possible they would consider water as visible as a gust of wind. Who knows? The only one who knows are the people who are born blind, however i would imagine that it would be hard for them to make clear how they 'see' the world. Maybe we'll have to wait for the moment that we can cure people from blindness. Maybe a little the same as people who have extra connections from a sense-organ in their brains to an other. Exempli gratia: People who can taste the colour blue. I imagine its hard for those people to describe what they see, feel, taste, whatever too
Dec-08-05  drmariogodrob: <lentil> In October's (I think it was October's) issue of Chess Life, Andrew Soltis (I think it was Andy) had an interesting article about this. Of course, it was from his perspective as a sighted person who plays blindfold exhibitions from time to time, in reflecting about how he visualizes a game when he can't see it. In the game board of your mind, do you see 'knight', or do you just see 'the motions of a knight'? Most interesting is what this causes us to have to think about in our own play even when not playing blindfolded and just looking through variations. The major difference of course is that in this, you can always look at the board to remember where you're starting from, but after that, a lot of the same skills are at play. Anyway, get your hands on the article, if you can.
May-21-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: <<Maybe we'll have to wait for the moment that we can cure people from blindness.>>

Unfortunately, it seems that this can never happen, for a person who is born without sight would not develop the corresponding part of the brain responsible for sight (the occipital lobe). Thus even if one could give sight to their eyes their brain couldn't process it.

May-21-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  technical draw: "I see, said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw."
May-21-06  dakgootje: <Eggman> true, i did read that in the newspaper some time ago (was about sleeping and there was a small part in it that the appropriate parts of the brains dont develop as they have to be if not used). Shame i hadnt read it when i posted my previous comment, but after all, thats some time ago...
May-21-06  McCool: Not very man draws for this man.
Feb-26-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jonathan Sarfati: <drmariogodrob> When I play blindfold chess, it is just as you describe. I don't visualize a stylized castle for a rook, but something on the square that radiates orthogonally, etc.
Feb-26-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jonathan Sarfati: <dakgootje> From an interview with a young woman who has been totally blind as long as she can remember (http://www.magazine.utoronto.ca/03a...):

Still wondering about how she perceives colours, I ask her to describe burgundy. She turns the question around and asks me to do it. I’m stumped; I can no more describe burgundy than she can. McQuigge can’t verbalize what burgundy means to her, but she knows what it goes with. “My impressions of colour can never be either validated or discredited,” she says. “They work for me.”

Feb-27-07  dakgootje: Thanks Jonathan for that article, very enjoyable to read at parts! =)

<In other classes, she relies purely on her hearing. I’m curious – has she ever nodded off in a class? “Oh God, yes!” she says. “Lack of visual stimuli.… I’ve totally fallen asleep. It’s embarrassing as all hell.”> =D Still, SHE has an excuse to fall asleep during classes... ;-)

One can not describe color to blind people nor can they describe how they look at color because of the lack of material to compare your 'observation' with, leaving whether you are capable of seeing or not. Maybe it is possible to let a blind people think of a certain color the way they see it, look at the place of brainactivity to see if it is possible to 'translate' to for us understandable things, however this probably won't work visa versa.

The problem is that it is impossible to describe for instance yellow: It is a light color. Or more physical: It has this or that wave-lenght. Errrr, right, does that help a blind person? I think not so. Better to combine colors to emotions? Black makes me sad while yellow brightens one up... But different people have different emotical associations with different colors. Besides it's still pretty vague to learn a color with the information it makes you happy... Why can't the whole world be yellow than eh?

Mar-27-09  onaananekadruga: could anybody get me in touch with dragoljub baretic please?
Apr-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: Considered as one of the strongest blind players ever.

Olympiad participations: http://www.olimpbase.org/playersbl/... (see his score there!)

Apr-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: I wonder how many blind players have games in the database?

There's a possible collection idea here.

Here's another two blind players in action T J Free vs M Winkelmann, 1975

Apr-14-09  vonKrolock: what about this: <"Source: The Illustrated London News, Sept 8, 1883

America is a world of wonders. The latest addition to its list of these is a <"deaf and blind poet,"> named Morison, who, says the Picayune, has been astonishing the New Orleans people by defeating the most skillful chess players. "He has a board on which the men stand fitted into sockets, and with his hands he feels the field, by the sense of touch alone watching the movements of the enemy, forming his combinations against him, analysing the most intricate situations, and coming off victorious most of the time.">

Apr-14-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: Don't miss --> Sergey Krylov
Mar-16-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  piltdown man: Have you seen his new house?

Neither has he.

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