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Jun-09-16 | | The Kings Domain: "Chess & Chess-Players" is a page-turner. Walker was one of the best writers of the game and major publishers should reprint his works as they deserve to be better known. If only authors of the game at present would write with the same passion and narrative flair like Walker did the literature of the game at present would be richer and more enduring. |
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Mar-13-17 | | The Kings Domain: One of the best Chess authors. |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Stonehenge: William Greenwood Walker founded Westminster Chess Club, right? |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Telemus: <Stonehenge: William Greenwood Walker founded Westminster Chess Club, right?> There were several WCCs. One was founded around 1832/33 in 20, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, and it was led by John Henry Huttman, famous for his leaflets. Here the matches between La Bourdonnais and McDonnell were played. It was closed at the end of 1835 or early in 1836. In 1837, another WCC was located in the Cigar Divan, nos. 1 & 2 Fountain Court, and 101, Strand. Here <William Greenwood Walker> was Hon. Secretary. This club expired around September 1837. In November 1837 a new club with the same name was founded in Spring Gardens, where Staunton was club secretary. The situation remained instable for a few more years ... |
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Nov-24-20
 | | moronovich: No more Bush ? ;) |
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Nov-24-20
 | | Stonehenge: <Telemus>
Thanks, unfortunately Walker is such a common name. |
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Jan-03-21
 | | MissScarlett: < One was founded around 1832/33 in 20, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, and it was led by John Henry Huttman, famous for his leaflets. Here the matches between La Bourdonnais and McDonnell were played. It was closed at the end of 1835 or early in 1836. In 1837, another WCC was located in the Cigar Divan, nos. 1 & 2 Fountain Court, and 101, Strand. Here <William Greenwood Walker> was Hon. Secretary. This club expired around September 1837.> Townsend has a short chapter on the <Westminster CC> in his <Notes on the Life of Howard Staunton>. He treats the move from Bedford St. to the Strand as a relocation of the existing club, and not as a refounding. I suppose it might depend on how long the club was out of action. Can you document something like a formal closure of the club in late 1835 / early 1836? One argument in Townsend's favour is the claim that <W. G. Walker> was club secretary during its time in Bedford St. He was clearly an important member there, because it was he who recorded the games of McDonnell - Bourdonnais match in 1834. |
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Jan-04-21
 | | Telemus: <He[Townsend] treats the move from Bedford St. to the Strand as a relocation of the existing club, and not as a refounding.> The main difference, as I understand it, is that the closed club was Huttman's unhealthy business, while he was not involved in the new one. The expert in this field is probably Henri Serruys. |
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Jan-04-21
 | | MissScarlett: The <Morning Chronicle> of June 21st 1836, p.4, carries a letter from <W. G. Walker, Honorary Secretary, Westminster Chess Club, Bedford-street, Covent-garden, June 18, 1836.>, reporting a challenge by Deschapelles to play a match at the odds of pawn and two with any British player. <Bell's Life> of November 27th 1836, p.2, in its answers to correspondents section, has: <We are not informed positively as to the regulations which are intended to be enforced at the Westminster Chess Club as to the admission of visitors; and our Correspondent had better apply to the Club's indefatigable Secretary, at the rooms where the meetings are held, No. 101, Strand.> Whilst Walker's letter of June doesn't prove the club was still active in Bedford Street - it may have been in a state of abeyance - I think it does support a strong degree of continuity between the two addresses. |
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Jan-05-21
 | | Telemus: Reading again in https://www.kwabc.org/en/chess-stal..., I found in an article by Serruys: <Chess is being played only occasionally, and it is George Walker who suggests to Huttmann to establish a chess club on the premises, „in the first floor rooms". Huttmann agrees, probably around 1832 [..], and <George Walker> can be
considered to be the Westminster Chess Club's first secretary.> and
<It follows from the newspaper clippings shown by Tony Gillam in CSQ6, that <Huttmann> has to be considered the de facto manager of the Westminster Chess Club between September 1834 and February 1835.> and
<It is safe to assume that in late 1835 or early 1836 Huttmann's coffee house was closed down, and with it the first Westminster Chess Club.> and
<A second Westminster Chess Club arises from the ashes of its predecessor, and <William Greenwood Walker>, a bachelor and „indigo broker" becomes its secretary.> Etc. etc. |
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Jan-05-21
 | | MissScarlett: <It is safe to assume that in late 1835 or early 1836 Huttmann's coffee house was closed down, and with it the first Westminster Chess Club.> On what basis? |
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Jan-05-21
 | | MissScarlett: <My intention is to change and improve the biography in a next step, and to avoid any re-introduction of mistakes in the future. Hence I will here explain what's wrong with the old version, and btw everyone can see that even renowned authors cannot avoid mistakes, if they don't consult the sources.> Strange that <thomastonk> did not get around to mentioning that Walker never edited a chess column in the <Lancet>. This error too was propagated by the first edition of the <Oxford Companion to Chess>, as discussed in Harding's <British Chess Literature to 1914>. He surmises that the mistake can be traced back to Walker's own obituary in the <ILN> in 1879, where Duffy claimed, <In the same year, he originated the popular "Chess column" of our time by contributing an article to the <Lancet>, which was published in the issue of that periodical on Oct. 19, 1823.> Harding argues Hooper & Whyld would have recognised something was amiss if they'd double-checked the issue in question, which turns out to be a translation of a French article that dates back to 1719. Significantly, there's no record of Walker ever claiming any involvement with the <Lancet>. But if not he, then whom? Harding says there's no reason to look beyond <Thomas Wakley>, the journal's founding editor, who's known to have been interested in the game. |
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Jan-22-21
 | | Telemus: <On what basis?> I am unsure. But it's based on what Serruys found out about Huttmann's business. A close pointer goes to: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London... Huttmann can be found more often in the London Gazette. |
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Apr-23-22 | | Gallicrow: Does anyone have any information about George Walker's personal life? Just by matching records on the Family Search website, I think he married twice, the second time at the age of 66 to a woman aged ~29. Although Walker only had one child, who predeceased him, she herself had six children and so there might be a lot descendants living today. Here is a link to what I patched together on Family Search. If anyone can confirm or correct anything I'd be grateful:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/p...
(you need a free account to use Family Search). |
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Apr-23-22
 | | MissScarlett: <second time at the age of 66 to a woman aged ~29.> Could've been worse - him, 46, her, 9.
What address, if any, do you have for the 1851 census? Is the <Ladbroke Villas> of 1861 the same dwelling as the <40 Ladbroke Road> of the 1869 marriage register? |
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Apr-24-22 | | Gallicrow: I haven't looked too closely at the addresses in the censuses yet. That involves looking at the original scans on ancestry or findmypast. In the transcription of the 1851 census, the residence notes contains "Royal Crescent". Just after I made my last post I searched the records to see what happened to Walker's second wife, Matilda, after he died in 1879. It turned that she remarried the following year, when she was 39, to a 21 year old! So the difference in ages of her two husbands was 56 years. Matilda and her second husband had three children together. She died in 1919 aged 78. |
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Apr-24-22
 | | MissScarlett: Now we know what killed him.
Here's the brief section on Walker that Townsend included in his chapter on members of the London CC, culled from records of the club (see <Historical Notes on Some Chess Players>). <George Walker himself was proposed, 7 May 1830, by "W. Jones", seconded by "W. Yates", and duly elected. His address first appeared in the book as "3, Newman St. Oxford St.", being the same address as was earlier used by the Emigrant Office while Jacob Sarratt was employed there by John Parkinson. Later Walker's address was updated in the book to "25 Charles St., Middlesex Hospital", and then again to "17 Soho Square"; later still, when he was re-elected on 1 December 1836, his address appeared as "3, Mortimer Street, Cavendish Square."> Charles St. was later incorporated into Mortimer St. Cavendish Square was home, of course, to the St. George's CC, of which Walker was a prime mover in the 1830-40s. Wigmore St., where second wife Matilda lived prior to the marriage, is on the opposite side of the square to Mortimer St. |
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Apr-24-22 | | Z free or die: <RE: George Walker> The British Chess News has an online synopsis
https://britishchessnews.com/2020/0... It's largely cribbed from the Oxford Companion(?). H.J.R. Murray has an extensive writeup for the BCM (1906) here: https://books.google.com/books?id=x... BCM v26 (May 1906) p189-194
<Does anyone have any information about George Walker's personal life?> Generally, I like to start my research on chess figures by searching the contemporaneous literature for their obituary - though you probably are after more of his genealogy than his impact on chess. Still here's a sample: https://books.google.com/books?id=v... CPC v3 N30 (June 1879) p121
Still, in one obit I found a reference to a biographical writeup by Walker himself: https://books.google.com/books?id=B... WPP v1 (Dec 1876) p140
A pen drawing portrait of him is found a few pages earlier. He died at his residence in the <Stoke Newington> part of London (on Apr 24!), according to ISDN v11 (May 10, 1879) p190. |
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Apr-24-22
 | | MissScarlett: This is a vital resource for anyone interested in London maps of the nineteenth century: https://www.theundergroundmap.com/i... |
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Oct-12-22
 | | MissScarlett: <I haven't looked too closely at the addresses in the censuses yet. That involves looking at the original scans on ancestry or findmypast. In the transcription of the 1851 census, the residence notes contains "Royal Crescent".> <Ancestry> has a collection of London <Stock Exchange Membership Applications, 1802-1924>. Apparently members had to go through the formality of annual re-election, allowing Walker's home address to be tracked almost every year from 1847 to 1879: 1 Devonshire Place, Haverstock Hill, 1847; 4 Royal Crescent, Notting Hill, 1848-1852; 14 Norland Place, Notting Hill, 1853-55; 12 Ladbroke Villas, Notting Hill, 1856-1866; 40 Ladbroke Road, Notting Hill, 1867-69; 40 Albion Rd, Stoke Newington, 1870-1879. Using this information, it's possible to fill in a few more details from your <familysearch> tree. |
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Oct-12-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Is the <[12] Ladbroke Villas> of 1861 the same dwelling as the <40 Ladbroke Road> of the 1869 marriage register?> Comparing maps of 1860 to 1890, the answer is almost certainly yes. Royal Crescent, Norland Place and Ladbroke Villas/Road are within five minutes' walk of one another. |
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Oct-16-22
 | | MissScarlett: Morning Herald, November 28th 1835, p.1:
<CHESS TAUGHT.—Mr. GEORGE WALKER, Author of several Works on Chess, informs the Nobility and Gentry that he GIVES LESSONS on the speediest method of attaining this scientific and fashionable accomplishment.—For cards of address and terms (which are moderate) apply to Messrs. Walker, music warehouse, 17, Soho-square.> |
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Mar-15-23 | | stone free or die: Over at the ECF boards, Tim Harding raises an issue or two.... <
<<Re: Remembering George Walker (13-iii-1803 23-iv-1879)Post by Tim Harding » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:32 pm> John Townsend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:28 am I have just looked on familysearch.org and found two baptism entries for George Walker, the son of George Walker and Ann, both on 17 April 1803. The first, apparently the register for St. Marylebone, gives date of birth as 20 March 1803. The second, which I take to be the Bishop's Transcript for the above, gives date of birth as 21 March 1803.> What is the source for 13 March 1803 (the date of birth given in the title of this thread)?
20 March 1803 is the date usually stated for Walker's birth so thanks to John for providing evidence backing that up; I too would like to see what was your source for the alternative date. Furthermore, I find it very disappointing that your under-researched article repeats (by quoting the Oxford Companion article without any correction) the common mistaken attribution to Walker of the early chess column in The Lancet. I debunked that in my doctoral thesis and the detailed proof was repeated on pages 23-24 of my book British Chess Literature to 1914, in which I traced the source of the error back to a mistake in Walker's Illustrated London News obituary, presumably contributed by Duffy.
Hooper and Whyld probably got it from there.
Such propagation of error needs to be stamped out every time it appears. Among other points, you might quote from the December 1876 Westminster Papers portrait of Walker, which included a brief memoir by Walker himself. Neither the WP editors nor Walker himself made any mention of The Lancet which Walker never claimed to have written. Maybe Duffy misunderstood something Walker once told him.
The true author of the Lancet column was the founder-editor of that medical paper, Thomas Wakley, as stated in his biography by S. Squire Sprigge who knew his subject personally. Your article, as it stands, does further damage by linking to Wikipedia. The Wikipedia article on Walker, brief as it is (at least it doesn't mention The Lancet) contains a different error where it says: <"Walker used his column in Bell's Life in London to propagate organizing the international London 1851 chess tournament, the first international chess tournament."> This is the opposite of the truth,
On the contrary, the London Chess Club (of which Walker was a member) was so miffed at Staunton rejecting its proposal to be involved in the organisation that it ran its own rival event. (Dr Adrian Harvey has written in detail about this row.) Walker went so far as to use his column to attack Staunton's tournament as the <"mock national tournament">; see especially Bell's Life in London, 19 October 1851. Tim Harding
Historian and FIDE Arbiter>
https://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopi... |
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Mar-15-23
 | | MissScarlett: <What is the source for 13 March 1803 (the date of birth given in the title of this thread)?> It's given in the Walker tribute by Harold James Ruthven Murray in the May 1906 <BCM>, pp.189-194. |
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Mar-16-23 | | stone free or die: You can readily find a reproduction of the BCM article here: https://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/... Let's assume that Harding knew this, and was in turn, asking Murray what his source was. After all, Murray isn't an issuing authority, and the ECF is quite good at obtaining birth certificates, baptism records, etc. . |
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