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Charles Maurian
  
Number of games in database: 81
Years covered: 1854 to 1883
Overall record: +38 -36 =7 (51.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games.

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CHARLES MAURIAN
(born May-21-1838, died Dec-02-1912, 74 years old) United States of America

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Charles Amédée de Maurian was born on May 21, 1838. He was the closest and life-long friend of Paul Morphy. They attended Spring Hill College in Mobile, Alabama together where Paul Morphy taught Maurian how to play chess in 1853-54. In 1854, he defeated Paul Morphy in a match in New Orleans (+6-5=1), but at various piece odds. In 1858, he lost a match to Paul Morphy (+1-2=0). From 1858 to 1860, Maurian edited the chess column in the New Orleans "Delta". In October, 1862, Maurian and Paul Morphy sailed to Cuba on a Spanish steamboat, with the ultimate destination of Paris in 1863. In 1869, he lost a match to Paul Morphy (+2-6=0) at knight odds. All together, there are 75 known games between Maurian and Paul Morphy. From 1883 to 1890, he co-edited the chess column in the "Times-Democrat". He moved to Paris in 1890.

Wikipedia article: Charles Maurian

Last updated: 2019-11-23 10:15:41

 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 81  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1271854New Orleans000 Chess variants
2. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0161854New Orleans000 Chess variants
3. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0271854New Orleans000 Chess variants
4. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1291854New Orleans000 Chess variants
5. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0291854New Orleans000 Chess variants
6. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1151854New Orleans000 Chess variants
7. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0321854New Orleans000 Chess variants
8. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0251854New Orleans000 Chess variants
9. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1261854New Orleans000 Chess variants
10. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1191854New Orleans000 Chess variants
11. Morphy vs Maurian ½-½461854New Orleans000 Chess variants
12. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1391854New Orleans000 Chess variants
13. Morphy vs Maurian ½-½301855New Orleans000 Chess variants
14. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1121855New Orleans (?)000 Chess variants
15. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1421855Rook Odds000 Chess variants
16. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0521856Odds game000 Chess variants
17. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0151857New Orleans000 Chess variants
18. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1281857New Orleans000 Chess variants
19. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1531858Odds game000 Chess variants
20. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1441858New Orleans000 Chess variants
21. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0261858New Orleans000 Chess variants
22. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0261858New Orleans000 Chess variants
23. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1351858Odds game000 Chess variants
24. Morphy vs Maurian ½-½351860Odds game000 Chess variants
25. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1771861New Orleans USA000 Chess variants
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Dec-21-02  mdorothy: So, who is this guy exactly? He got lots of good odds, is he just Morphy's whipping boy?
Dec-22-02  GregorMendel: He wasn't that bad at chess...after all, he did beat the great NN once.
Dec-22-02  refutor: he was morphy's childhood friend
Dec-22-02
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: Forget NN, he beat Morphy a dozen times!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Of course in every one of these odds games Morphy started down a rook, knight, queen, etc. But still! Could YOU beat Morphy if he was down a knight?

Dec-22-02  ughaibu: Maurian beat Morphy but NN beat almost everybody and was world champion for 4 years.
Dec-22-02  GregorMendel: NN is the man. He is immortal.
Dec-17-03
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: <Could YOU beat Morphy if he was down a knight?>

Yes.

Dec-17-03
Premium Chessgames Member
  technical draw: Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.
Oct-27-04  SBC: It's known that Maurian played, on even terms, casual games against Mackenzie, Steinitz, Zuckertort and Tchigorin. The only games here are those odds games vs Morphy and 2 games vs Steinitz.

Would anyone happen to know if the game scores vs Mackenzie, Zuckertort or Tchigorin were ever published?

Oct-08-05  ConfusedPatzer: Whoa! Morphy still gave Maurian knight's odds after the guy had already played chess for over 10 years! Jebus, when you look at this guys Morphy had to play with you kind of start to understand why he got bored of chess.
Oct-08-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <ConfusedPatzer> Eventually Maurian got too strong for the odds. He won most of their later games. As <SBC> points out, Maurian was a fine player.

You shouldn't be too surprised that Morhpy could give knight odds to Maurian for so long. I have read that Tigran Petrosian gave knight odds to an IM. I'll bet Gary Kasparov could give me knight odds --or a player much stronger than me knight odds -- and beat us until the end of time.

May-21-06  BIDMONFA: Charles Maurian

MAURIAN, Charles
http://www.bidmonfa.com/maurian_cha...
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May-25-06  BaranDuin: <keypusher: <ConfusedPatzer> Eventually Maurian got too strong for the odds. He won most of their later games. As <SBC> points out, Maurian was a fine player.

You shouldn't be too surprised that Morhpy could give knight odds to Maurian for so long. I have read that Tigran Petrosian gave knight odds to an IM. I'll bet Gary Kasparov could give me knight odds --or a player much stronger than me knight odds -- and beat us until the end of time.>

I wonder what the effect of time odds would be.

Feb-12-07  wolfmaster: Forget beating NN! Maurian beat Steinitz on level terms the year he won the world championship!
Jun-05-07  IMDONE4: <<ConfusedPatzer> Eventually Maurian got too strong for the odds. He won most of their later games. As <SBC> points out, Maurian was a fine player. You shouldn't be too surprised that Morhpy could give knight odds to Maurian for so long. I have read that Tigran Petrosian gave knight odds to an IM. I'll bet Gary Kasparov could give me knight odds --or a player much stronger than me knight odds -- and beat us until the end of time.>

i doubt petrosian or kasparov could beat an IM down a piece in classical chess, but in blitz certainly. there were also several stories concerning how fischer was able to give knight odds to some of the best grandmasters of his time, and still win most games

May-21-08  brankat: In the context of Chess History P.Morphy and C.Maurian should be viewed as Siamese twins.
Feb-07-09  WhiteRook48: what??!!
Mar-11-09  WhiteRook48: <could YOU beat Morphy if he was down a knight?> I could draw him, possibly.
Mar-15-09  WhiteRook48: if I had a pencil and paper, maybe
May-27-09  YuanTi: Maurian beat players such as Steinitz. He was not an average player. If you think you could face Morphy a knight down, you probably have an ego problem.
May-27-09  WhiteRook48: like Fischer had
May-28-09  Petrosianic: Maurian was actually a player of varying ability. In their earliest encounters, Morphy beat him handily despite the Knight odds. In their later games, Maurian had improved to the point that he creamed Morphy at Knight odds.

I don't think anyone need have an ego problem to think they could beat a GM at Knight odds, in a slow game, at least. Fischer boasted that he could beat Nona Gaprindashvili at Knight odds, but quickly backed down when they tried to take him up on it. Wisely so, because even a super-GM can't give a Knight to a 2300-2400 player and hope to win.

Maurian, I'm sure, was considerably less strong than Nona, but still beat Morphy in their later games, but if you want, try it yourself. Play a G/60 game against Fritz, and give yourself Knight odds. See how you do.

May-17-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  al wazir: Who was Charles Amedee? Was Maurian's full name Charles Amedee Maurian?
May-21-11  Calli: <Al Wazir> Yes, sometimes written Charles Amédée de Maurian. The "de" is old prefix to many French names which fell into disuse. Spellings were not so fixed in the old days....
Feb-05-12  King Sacrificer: Wow.. I didn't know there are CG members who can beat Morphy.
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