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|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: Meyers Leonard just got a contract with the surprising Heat after having a good postseason with the Trail Blazers.|
He's started all 12 games as a swing PF/C but only plays 20 minutes per game. (Bam Adebayo is typically the sole big man in the 4th quarter for defense)
But he's 13-21 from 3pt range for 62%.
Other reasons for the Heat's surprising start:
#1 in league in FG% - (.479)
#3 in 3-pt% - (38.4)
#7 in rebound differential (+2.2)
#9 in def FG% (.437)
#4 in steals (9.9 per game)
They just kinda do all the little things right quietly, and no player is averaging more than 19PPG.
Eric Spoelstra just got an extension, he's coaching his butt off.
They're not starting any typical PG in most games (Goran Dragic is avg 16PPG off the bench).
They're using Jimmy Butler as primary playmaker and he's average a WHOPPING 7.2 assist per game so far - that's <double> his career average.
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: < HeMateMe: Im surprised al Horford left boston. That celtics team is going to win a championship, and he could have been a part of it.philly, though talanted, is still a mismatched collection of parts that dont quite fit together. A playoff team, but not a champion.>|
The issue with Horford is that he's 32 and wanted a 4-year deal. The Celtics (wisely) didn't match that offer from Philly.
You're right that there's serious chemistry/fit issues in Philadelphia.
Horford was signed by the Sixers for 2 reasons - #1 because his away-from-basket passing, shooting and screen/roll skills mean that he can stay out of Embiid's way and not crowd his comfort spots on the offensive end - #2 because Al Horford gives a little rim protection and good size/bulk so that he can guard the other team's best frontline scorer or guard other 250+ lb big centers at times when the Sixers don't want Embiid to get cheap fouls.
I guess we will see if it works.
Results mixed so far.
And (strangely) the Sixers are still only 7th in the league in rebounding (Milkwaukee is #1) even though they generally start the MASSIVE lineup of Josh Richardson (6-5), Embiid (7-1), Simmons (6-11), Horford (6-10) and (6-9).
|Nov-20-19|| ||unferth: I'll be surprised if Boston wins a title during what's left of Horford's prime; he's 33 and well on the downslope, and I don't think the Celtics are all that close. they're 11-2 but have had a very soft schedule thus far (the Knicks twice, the Cavs, the Wizards, the Warriors, the Spurs, the Hornets); they're 4-2 against decent teams. props to them for taking care of business thus far, but let's see how they do tonight at the Clippers & Friday at Denver.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: I suspect that Embiid's injury history figured into the Sixers' decision to sign Horford.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: < saffuna: I suspect that Embiid's injury history figured into the Sixers' decision to sign Horford.>|
Yes, that one escaped me, but having Horford there means they can "load manage" Embiid entirely and sit home out some games, especially the 1st game of back-to-backs.
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: Bizarre story:
Former CRO of the Sacramento Kings defrauded them for 13 million over the years, gets sentenced to 7 years in prison:
???? This is straight out of "office space":
<"David’s was accused of a bizarre plot in which he formed a company using forged signatures from officials at the Kings, Golden 1 Credit Union and Kaiser Permanente and convinced the sponsors to make early payments on deals he had already negotiated with them.
He sent that money into his company to purchase the homes, and said he believed he could sell them later at a profit and return the money to the Kings. David told the judge he believed he could create a phony Golden 1 account to wire the funds back to the Kings and that the team would never know.">
And, most bizarrely:
<"Federal officials seized the homes and eventually sold them at a profit, returning all of the money to the team earlier this year.">
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: < unferth: I'll be surprised if Boston wins a title during what's left of Horford's prime; he's 33 and well on the downslope, and I don't think the Celtics are all that close. >|
Keeping Horford would've also meant not being able to give Jaylen Brown the extension he got in October just before the season started.
Had the Celtics waited 1 year and allowed Brown to become a restricted free agent they would've had to match any insane price that other teams offered $$$ him, so the Celtics saved a little bit of $$$$$ that way.
Strangely - Jaylen Brown is the first rookie that the Celtics have give a second (rookie extension) contract since Rajon Rondo waaaaay back in 2009.
It's crazy to think that the Celtics went 10 years without having a rookie they wanted to keep beyond the first rookie 4-year deal.
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: As CRO of the Sacramento Kings Jeffrey David made around 360K in $$ base salary, plus a hefty annual bonus.|
Those California taxes must've been eating him alive. lol
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: <Strangely - Jaylen Brown is the first rookie that the Celtics have give a second (rookie extension) contract since Rajon Rondo waaaaay back in 2009.|
It's crazy to think that the Celtics went 10 years without having a rookie they wanted to keep beyond the first rookie 4-year deal.>
And the Celts' only Top 15 pick since 2007 and before Brown was Marcus Smart in 2014. They didn't have much chance to draft too players.
|Nov-20-19|| ||WannaBe: Re: Jeff David of SAC. The article by ESPN is much better and more in-depth.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: A Kings HR employee saw something she couldn't figure out, and that led to David's theft being discovered.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||HeMateMe: An NBA franchise not smart enough to hire an outside auditor to provide yearly confrols? Guess they slept late the year Enron and Arthur Anderson went down the toilet.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: Looked at the all-stars the Celts passed over in the draft from 2008 to 2015. (They took Jaylen Brown #3 in 2016.)|
Not very many. Their draft positions, weakened by trading for Garnett and others, were just not very high:
That's all. Six all-star players. And two of those were foreign players, who tend to be (or used to be) more of a roll of the dice.
|Nov-20-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Saffuna -
That's all. Six all-star players. And two of those were foreign players, who tend to be (or used to be) more of a roll of the dice.>
And out of these players above I don't think any of them were regarded as a can't-miss prospect.
Isiah Thomas was the only major D1 "star" of the bunch but his size was a big deterrent - both going into the draft and also now.
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: Some teams seem to have certain identities over the years, particularly when they are winning. The Bears play tough defense, the Lakers are flashy, etc.|
Championship Celtics teams have always been highly team-oriented, with tough defenders, good players without great stats, and mental toughness.They don't win when they have Kyrie Irving or Dominique Wilkins. (They sometimes had one wild-card gunner, though, such as Tom Heinsohn.)
We know about the 60s and 80s teams, but even the 70s champions fit that mold: Cowens, Havlicek, Silas, White, Scott. Perfect. (Why they didn't play Westphal and then traded him was a head scratcher, though.)
Seeing they passed up Draymond Green, he would have been a classic Celtic in the Silas/Perkins/Horford mold.
|Nov-20-19|| ||unferth: and the Jungle Jim Loscutoff mold.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||saffuna: I thought of him, but Green is so much more skilled than Luscutoff.|
|Nov-20-19|| ||Penguincw: < WannaBe: ... Toronto Raptors decided to not give rings to the players the team traded away mid-season... >|
I can understand if they didn't want to give out rings to every single player who played with them that season, but Jonas did play a big role, and was traded for a key piece. At least Jeremy Lin and his 27ish minutes the whole playoffs got one.
|Nov-21-19|| ||HeMateMe: My guess is the celts saw too much dennis rodman in dray green.|
|Nov-21-19|| ||plang: Patrick Beverley had 16 rebounds last night.|
|Nov-21-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: < HeMateMe: My guess is the celts saw too much dennis rodman in dray green.>|
Draymond Green was Big 10 player of the year as a Senior but he was a 2nd rd pick due to questions about his athleticism and the possibility that he would be a "tweener" in between the two forward positions.
He lost something like 30 pounds going into his 2nd season, it vastly improved him as a player in a way that no scout ever anticipated. And then David Lee got hurt and Kerr elevated him into the starting lineup permanently even after Lee was ready to return.
One of Kerr's small nuance moves that powered the Warriors jump to the NBA title was his decision to commit to starting Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes over the older veterans David Lee and Iggy, who he successfully convinced to agree to come off the bench.
The net result for the Warriors was a faster tempo playing, more skilled offensive starting lineup as opposed to their prior few seasons under coach Marc Jackson.
Of course Iggy won finals MVP the following season as suber-sub extraordinaire, partly because of his clutch defense against Lebron late in games during the finals.
|Nov-21-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: Ben Simmons hit his first career 3-pointer last night, in his 172nd game.|
|Nov-21-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: Patrick Beverly with worst flop in NBA history:|
Steve Kerr's remark on Beverly in March during 1st round of playoffs:
<""I worry he's gonna get whiplash on some of these flops," >
|Nov-21-19|| ||Bobsterman3000: After 1 quarter of play last night:
Golden State Warriors - 16 points
Luka Doncic - 22 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
|Nov-21-19|| ||HeMateMe: <<""I worry he's gonna get whiplash on some of these flops," >
someone needs to get him the number of Vlade Divac's chiropractor….
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