If I were to include such games in Z-base, which uses Fraser, I would certainly include a <Note> mentioning the form used in the actual source.

FWIW - I am not against using parenthesized format, though I understand the general reluctance. We do already do this (on <CG>) for a couple of female players - but there's one case of a female GM(?) who was married at least three times to various chess players - which would require a rather bulky name.

PS - It's hard to read, but ILN (1872-12-28) p639 has both <Dr. Fraser> and <Dr. Frazer> in the same paragraph describing recent events at the Edinburgh CC.

Harding uses that form, as does <ChessBase>. (I wonder about Renette - did the good doctor ever play him?)

The bio is a bit confusing, suggesting he changed his name back to Fraser, but then includes an obit with Frazer.

FWIW - his death notice in <The Westminster Chess Club Papers> uses Fraser.

https://books.google.com/books?id=B...

In point of actuality, we're inferring his intention to change his name to Frazer, originally from the name of a medal. We don't really concretely know what his intentions were, short of finding a letter by him, or legal papers effecting the change, or perhaps some second-hand account of his desire (which again, we don't really have).

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo...

It is from the Glasgow 'Herald' 16/Nov/1872 (details were pencilled in at the side of the game. Other clipping from the book when shown are from the Glasgow Herald ) but as you can see no date for when the game was actually played.

Picture of details I took the date and publication from.

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo...

We can now add in to the Frazer claims he submitted problems under Frazer.

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo...

That pic is a mate in 4 submitted by our lad named as Dr.Frazer. (no date, not even sure what publication it is) but it has problem No. IV so if I do some back tracking I may find it.

click for larger view

White to play and mate 4

Next clipping https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo... is our lad being called Frazer and also Frazer in the notes.

Fraxer v Unknown

No date of game , no opponents name, no publication details and so no date of publication. Not sure if you want it but here it is.

[Event "?"]
[Site "Edinburgh (SCO)"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "James Cunningham Frazer"]
[Black "N.N."]
[Result "1-0"]

<FWIW - his death notice in <The Westminster Chess Club Papers> uses Fraser.>

Whilst going through the scrapbook I took the above items from some chap called E.H. fired into the Westminster Papers on a matter regarding chess.

Did he marry? Did he have descendants?

If he did, what were their surnames, I wonder?

They had two sons: James, born 1850, survived, and Alfred Horace, born 1852, died 1854.

It appears the Frazer - Fraser game I submitted may have got itself lost during the matter with the certificate.

As I said earlier no date is given for the game from the source, GWH 16/Nov/1872. I've gone for 1868 suggesting than an '?' be added.

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo...

[Event "Club Game"]
[Site "Edinburgh (SCO)"]
[Date "1868.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "James Cunningham Frazer"]
[Black "George Brunton Fraser"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Source "Glasgow Weekly Herald, November 16, 1872")

<Geoff>

You wrote: <It appears the Frazer - Fraser game I submitted may have got itself lost during the matter with the certificate.>

I really doubt that is possible eh. I don't think it was the kind of security problem that might cause data loss- more of a forgetting to update a security certificate.

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I believe your <Frazer v Fraser> pgn is sitting in the processing lineup under your name on the editor's page. It shows you have submitted a 699b file, but the page will not give me access to the pgn because <MissScarlett> has your name "signed out" at the moment. I doubt this was done on purpose- there is a longstanding and really irritating bug in which the editor page refuses to recognize that an editor has signed out of a submitting member's account.

<MissScarlett> if you remember I posted a "hard refresh" fix a while ago on how to prevent this from happening. It happened again to me recently, a few days ago in fact. Usually it works, for me at least.

1. Sign out of cg.com

2. Clear browser cache

3. Reboot computer

4. Go to editor page

5. Sign yourself in manually- your own name will be the default sign in, but sign yourself in manually anyways. I do this by signing myself out, and then signing myself back in- manually.

6. Close the editing page.

7. Open the editing page and repeat step 5 above.

8. Now you should not have any fellow member's account "frozen" because of a bogus "signed out" message.

Typical.

Obviously an attempt to withhold hardcore genuine evidence that Frazer is the name.

The academics have a name for such people who keep things from others because it does not fit in with their own view of the world. Evasive Hiding.

Me (and Dr Frazer) are the victims of evasive hiding. I will let it go this time but next time I'll seek financial compensation and counselling.

And you too Jessie for rapping the knuckles of Miss Red.

I doubt if I will ever recover from having my name 'signed out' and left shivering and forgotten in the cold like a Dickens orphan.

I doubt if I will ever recover from having my name 'signed out' and left shivering and forgotten in the cold like a Dickens orphan.>

Happens to all of us eventually. Bug in the <CG> editorial system.

<I was going to raise a correction slip suggesting Dr Fraser be changed to Dr Frazer but having discovered this site is prone to and no doubt rife with elusive hiding (the new buzz word.) I too will play the elusive hiding game and withhold any new information I have on this or any other matter.>

Actually, the only way his name will get changed is if you continue to post your research (even if only on redhotpawn; I would point it out to others!).

<Geoff> I highly doubt <MissScarlett> was trying to "hide your work." Doesn't sound like him to me, and also it would be an ineffective method. Who would he be hiding it from? There might be three admins left who regularly check the pgn submissions. More don't seem to be needed in terms of processing the flow, since <TabaHenge> cleared the backlog.

As mentioned in my post (and many previous posts on the exact same problem), this is an episodic and highly annoying bug that remains unfixed- after well over a year now.

Submitting member accounts become locked, signed out to the last person who looked at their submission.

James Cunningham Fraser (kibitz #45)

I cannot lean too much on RHP site for letting me post pictures in old blogs but if i find something I'll post it for a few days and let you know. (see below)

Struggling a wee bit with these scrap books. Who ever did it has occasionally mixed up the dates. (if indeed they include a clipping with the date on.)

I sometimes find a date, say March 1898 and a few pages later a header dated April 1898. But all good reading.

The battle of words that took place on the pages of the Herald between the East and West of Scotland over their 1896 match nearly lead to a civil war. The match was later declared drawn (or void).

A smashing read, these Victorians knew how to hurl insults including one Scottish saying I have not heard for years; 'You had better learn how hold your tongue.' Blistering stuff for a chess column.

Eventually it all died down...a few weeks later some bod asks when will there be another East v West match!

I was also reading about Lasker's visit to Edinburgh on the 9th Jan 1899. He faced 27 players (W 24. D2, L1) and spent approx 15 seconds on each a board before moving on. (need to dig out the minutes and find out how much he charged.)

I'm finding more Dr. Frazer games, here I usually get the exact date of the publication but the Herald has no dates of when the games were played or even give the opponents name.

I cannot see that getting passed the site censors and of course every time I find a game named Dr Frazer it's more clout for a name change. (the 'elusive hiding' syndrome will then kick in.)

Alan Mac has found out that the house we know our Dr. Frazer was an occupant in was put up for sale in December 1875. He is listed as Dr. Frazer. (all I need to do now is find the rent book.)

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo... (I'll leave that up for a few days then remove it.)

Today following an Alan Mac lead I was at the Royal Edinburgh trying find out where Dr. Frazer was buried. Back in Dr. Frazer's day it was called a lunatic asylum.

Sounds like rather a tragic end hinted at in his bio with: "...for in the latter part of his illness he conceived for the game a positive aversion." (sounds like something that affected Morphy, but that of course is pure speculation.)

They pointed me to the Edinburgh University.
Good. I'll be there next week, dressed up in my yellow corduroy jacket, with leather sleeve patches, carrying my battered brown brief case looking every part a college professor.

I know the department very well, they helped out tremendously when I was researching Richard Jordan the Edinburgh born Draughts Champion of the World. That reminds me, I must get a blue metal plaque made (they only cost about £25) and nail it to the wall where he lived.

<Geoff> there are no "site censors" as such. Editors who process pgn submissions still follow the protocol <Daniel> laid down from the beginning.

The year needs to be filled out, but if you don't know the exact year, but have reason for a good guess, that pgn could potentially be published.

The only other fields that absolutely need to be filled out are the player tags.

So- now, as from the beginning under <Daniel>, a pgn requires 3 and only 3 of the fields in order to process/publish:

1. Year

2. Name of white

3. Name of black

If these 3 fields are not filled in, the game will not process- by the code <Daniel> created and which is still used.

Tragic that we lost this prodigy at the age of four months.>

This is at least the second time you've dropped the censor bit - to what, exactly, are you alluding?

<z> censor charge.

<Geoff> suspects <Miss Scarlett> deliberately sits on some of his submissions by not signing out from the Sally Simpson account on the editing page, so that nobody else can process his submissions either.

As per my lengthy reply above, I doubt <MissScarlett> is censoring anybody:

Just sent Alan Mac copies of the Edinburgh Club Minutes.

19th April 1873 Minutes advise that Dr Frazer is not well and medal discussed.

Next entry. 9th June 1873 Minutes advise Dr Frazer is happy to attend a meeting to receive the medal.

A few days later 11 June 1873 Dr Frazer accepts medal at special meeting.

He is called Dr. Frazer throughout.

As mention before it is Frazer on the medal and also sent to Alan a picture of a rather ornate label that sat beside the medal stating it is the Frazer Medal.