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Member since May-08-11 · Last seen Jan-21-22
Welcome to anyone who visits my forum! I don't look much like my avatar, but that's pretty much how I think I am.

As I get older (and I think that's why), I'm much more interested in how chess works than whether I win a particular game. I want to understand a bit more before I die; I'm less interested in whether I'm better on a particular day than someone else is. So if I sometimes get a bit caustic about chess as a sport, that's why.

My interest is mostly in the older games, where the titans of the past discovered the principles we show off by knowing now.

20220102 For Milunka Lazarevic, chess was a "symbiosis of all arts". A "female Tal", she was a passionate if rather stern chess teacher, who would exclaim with joy if a pupil made a particularly good move. One of those people I'm very glad existed, even if she might have been uncomfortable to know. Giants aren't all friendly, just as saints aren't all easy company.

20211018 Though I loved being in Wales [as a student 1974-78], I got the feeling to be Welsh you needed to have been born there, ideally more than once. United States Championship (2021)

20210909 Words to live by: 0ZeR0: Alas, almost doing something on the chessboard counts for little.Carlsen vs A Tari, 2021

20210810 I've renewed my premium membership just now, so let's see if I can't contribute more & use the premium facilities a bit more and have fun.

20210603 CG.COM kibitzing resembles a rowdy pub near closing time, with a few sensible conversations going on in the corners, and a lot of shouty fantasists holding court and assuming status more because of their noise than their sense.

>> Click here to see Dionysius1's game collections. Full Member

   Dionysius1 has kibitzed 2399 times to chessgames   [less...]
   Jan-19-22 Harold Winston
Dionysius1: <Granny O Doul: And of course a former USCF president, beating Yasser Seirawan for the post back in 1987.> I bet Yasser (that's my baby now) is grateful to this day.
   Jan-19-22 Eduard Willem Walch (replies)
Dionysius1: <MissScarlett>: I'm a reluctant flier. If it's not mechanical failure, it's bonkers pilots or trigger-happy rogue states. Back in 2018, I posed the challenge to name 3 chess players (good enough to have their own <> page) who died as a result of plane accidents.
   Jan-19-22 Tom O'Gorman
Dionysius1: Ah, marvellous. Thanks for the link!
   Jan-19-22 chessforum (replies)
Dionysius1: <Tabanus> Thanks! This is great. just gets better and better. ✔👍
   Jan-19-22 Heinrich Wagner (replies)
Dionysius1: That's brilliant timing! I was about to ask what the connection was between Wagner retiring from playing chess and the Nazis coming to power in 1933 (see biog). Para 8 kind of answers the question - there was a lot of reorganisation of social life, clubs were disbanded and ...
   Jan-18-22 84th Tata Steel Masters (2022) (replies)
Dionysius1: 👍 (I'm drunk on the power of the emoji)
   Jan-17-22 Robert James Fischer (replies)
Dionysius1: Yep, Bobby Fischer is a great hero of mine. It's just fun to knock the publicity that surrounds him. Doesn't stop him being an all time great. The gift that keeps on giving :-)
   Jan-16-22 Shankland vs N Grandelius, 2022
Dionysius1: It looks very good to me. I can't see many good replies, and if 32...Rf5 then sooner or later Shankland can play g4.
   Jan-16-22 US Championship (1963/64)
Dionysius1: Well, he HAD been a beast anyway :-). True he won US Open C'ship, US Closed C'ship and US Lightning C'ship all in one year, but that was back in 1951.
   Jan-16-22 Magnus Carlsen (replies)
Dionysius1: I hope he's not going to drive himself crazy setting goals he doesn't achieve. Being the best in the world seems safer. 2900 seems like an introvert's target, best in the world more "real world".
   Jan-16-22 F Mohannad vs N Abdusattorov, 2018 (replies)
   Jan-14-22 Karpov - Fischer World Championship Match (1975)
   Jan-14-22 Z Andriasian vs PazificDreams, 2005
   Jan-13-22 Fischer vs Pachman, 1960
   Jan-13-22 P Dubinin vs Veresov, 1940 (replies)
   Jan-10-22 Seirawan vs Karpov, 1982
   Jan-07-22 H W Apperly vs H Charlick, 1894
   Jan-06-22 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
   Jan-06-22 Nigel Short (replies)
   Jan-06-22 Grace Ellis
   Jan-06-22 Aganalian vs Petrosian, 1945
   Jan-05-22 Carlsen vs Nepomniachtchi, 2021
   Jan-05-22 Short vs Kasparov, 1993
   Jan-05-22 D Palo vs P H Nielsen, 2003 (replies)
   Jan-05-22 Lasker vs NN, 1908
   Jan-04-22 R Lau vs Barsov, 1993 (replies)
   Jan-04-22 Dionysius1 chessforum
   Jan-03-22 Fischer vs J F Bacardi, 1956
   Jan-03-22 Grischuk vs Carlsen, 2021 (replies)
   Jan-02-22 Tal vs Smyslov, 1959
   Jan-02-22 Milunka Lazarevic
   Jan-01-22 Raymond Weinstein (replies)
   Jan-01-22 Grischuk vs Carlsen, 2021
   Jan-01-22 Shabalov vs Smirin, 1992 (replies)
   Dec-30-21 Tigran L Petrosian
   Dec-30-21 Sam Shankland
   Dec-30-21 World Rapid Championship (2021) (replies)
   Dec-30-21 Wilfred Henry Pratten
   Dec-30-21 A Graf vs N Guliyev, 2005 (replies)
   Dec-28-21 David Howell
   Dec-28-21 Spassky vs Polugaevsky, 1961
   Dec-27-21 Carlsen vs Duda, 2021 (replies)
   Dec-27-21 Karpov vs Spassky, 1974 (replies)
   Dec-26-21 J Boudy Bueno vs Kuzmin, 1973 (replies)
   Dec-23-21 John C Hawksworth
   Dec-20-21 World Team Championship (1985)
   Dec-20-21 Flear vs Aagaard, 2007 (replies)
   Dec-18-21 Wolfgang Heidenfeld
   Dec-17-21 Reti vs Bogoljubov, 1924
   Dec-16-21 Ian Nepomniachtchi (replies)
   Dec-15-21 Carlsen - Nepomniachtchi World Championship Match (2021) (replies)
   Dec-15-21 Pierre Charles Fournier de Saint-Amant
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   Dec-09-21 Nepomniachtchi vs Carlsen, 2021 (replies)
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   Dec-08-21 Mahmood Lodhi
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   Dec-08-21 S Williams vs V Nevednichy, 2016 (replies)
   Dec-07-21 Nepomniachtchi vs Carlsen, 2021 (replies)
   Dec-05-21 Marcel Duchamp
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   Dec-04-21 Carlsen vs Nepomniachtchi, 2021 (replies)
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   Dec-01-21 Nepomniachtchi vs Carlsen, 2021 (replies)
   Nov-29-21 Saidy vs J Becerra Rivero, 2005 (replies)
   Nov-27-21 Eqrem Konci
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   Nov-18-21 A Huynh vs A Brown, 2012
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   Nov-14-21 Kasparov vs Anand, 2002
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   Nov-08-21 Firouzja vs N Abasov, 2021 (replies)
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   Oct-20-21 Peter Pint
   Oct-19-21 O Privorotsky vs A Bukhover, 1960
   Oct-18-21 Noel Studer
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   Oct-18-21 Sultan Khan vs Colle, 1930 (replies)
   Oct-18-21 United States Championship (2021) (replies)
   Oct-16-21 Blackburne vs Lush, 1885 (replies)
   Oct-15-21 Cochrane vs Somacarana, 1856
   Oct-15-21 A Dueckstein vs Botvinnik, 1958 (replies)
   Oct-14-21 Ivanchuk vs Anand, 1998 (replies)
   Oct-11-21 La Bourdonnais vs McDonnell, 1834
   Oct-11-21 Nunn vs Bronstein, 1975 (replies)
   Oct-10-21 Hikaru Nakamura (replies)
   Oct-10-21 Carlsen vs A Tari, 2021 (replies)
   Oct-09-21 Swiercz vs Burke, 2021 (replies)
   Oct-06-21 USSR Championship (1959)
   Oct-04-21 Dortmund (1974) (replies)
   Oct-04-21 Fischer vs A Kahn, 1964 (replies)
   Oct-03-21 Geller vs Euwe, 1953 (replies)
   Oct-02-21 H Olafsson vs S Agdestein, 1987
   Oct-01-21 Karjakin vs M Ragger, 2001
   Sep-30-21 G Sanna vs P Motwani, 1979 (replies)
   Sep-29-21 Morphy vs Le Carpentier, 1849
   Sep-29-21 Naiditsch vs P K Wells, 2000 (replies)
   Sep-29-21 Paul Morphy (replies)
   Sep-29-21 Stefansson vs Piket, 1998 (replies)
   Sep-25-21 Levon Aronian (replies)
   Sep-25-21 M L Condie vs Speelman, 1984
   Sep-25-21 George Cann Heywood
   Sep-25-21 Stahlberg vs A Becker, 1944 (replies)
   Sep-24-21 Sax vs J Gallagher, 1999 (replies)
   Sep-24-21 Reshevsky vs Z Margalit, 1958
   Sep-22-21 Bogoljubov vs Flohr, 1931 (replies)
   Sep-22-21 The World vs Naiditsch, 2014
   Sep-21-21 Robert Burger
   Sep-20-21 E Schiller vs T Redman, 1975 (replies)
   Sep-19-21 Tal vs Dzindzichashvili, 1991 (replies)
   Sep-18-21 D Anton Guijarro vs D Howell, 2017
   Sep-18-21 Norway Chess (2021) (replies)
   Sep-10-21 Kasparov - Short PCA World Championship Match (1993) (replies)
   Sep-10-21 Geller vs Golombek, 1952
   Sep-08-21 A Caoili vs B Yildiz, 2002 (replies)
   Sep-06-21 O Hole vs Carlsen, 2002 (replies)
   Sep-03-21 Carlsen vs Duda, 2021 (replies)
   Sep-03-21 S Conquest vs P Bauer, 1986 (replies)
   Aug-31-21 C Ross vs C Storey, 2009 (replies)
   Aug-27-21 Pokorna vs N Kosintseva, 2010
   Aug-26-21 M Palac vs Agrest, 2008
   Aug-25-21 Tom O'Gorman vs S Mulligan, 2016
   Aug-23-21 V Kovacevic vs Ree, 1980
   Aug-23-21 N Davies vs G Crawley, 1984 (replies)
   Aug-23-21 M Hoogland vs P Papp, 2016
   Aug-19-21 Hartston vs Portisch, 1974
   Aug-19-21 Evgeny Sveshnikov (replies)
   Aug-18-21 Carlsen vs Anand, 2019 (replies)
   Aug-18-21 Alekhine vs H Carlsson, 1935 (replies)
   Aug-15-21 M Bartel vs I Saeed, 2016
   Aug-14-21 Speelman vs Azmaiparashvili, 1994 (replies)
   Aug-10-21 Hans Moke Niemann (replies)
   Aug-09-21 M Roiz vs T Warakomski, 2005 (replies)
   Aug-09-21 Carlsen vs V Popov, 2004 (replies)
   Aug-09-21 Michael Roiz
   Aug-08-21 Istvan Csom (replies)
   Aug-08-21 Hydra vs Adams, 2005
   Aug-07-21 Dautov vs Krasenkow, 2002 (replies)
   Aug-06-21 World Cup (2021) (replies)
   Aug-05-21 Karjakin vs Duda, 2021 (replies)
   Aug-01-21 Speelman vs Jean-Jacques Hanau, 1971
   Jul-29-21 Rossetto vs Najdorf, 1955 (replies)
   Jul-27-21 George Wallace chessforum (replies)
   Jul-24-21 A Poluljahov vs D Lopushnoy, 2000 (replies)
   Jul-22-21 Nunn vs Dlugy, 1986 (replies)
   Jul-21-21 H W Jordan vs G Fawbush, 1977
   Jul-20-21 K Arakhamia-Grant vs S Agdestein, 2008
   Jul-19-21 Carlsen vs A Tari, 2021 (replies)
   Jul-19-21 Robatsch vs Bisguier, 1961 (replies)
   Jul-18-21 Rozentalis vs P Nikolic, 1994 (replies)
   Jul-18-21 Hort vs de Firmian, 1990 (replies)
   Jul-16-21 Shirov vs Zherebukh, 2021 (replies)
   Jul-12-21 Polgar vs T Halasz, 1985 (replies)
   Jul-10-21 Garry Kasparov (replies)
   Jul-09-21 G Feher vs V Priehoda, 1995 (replies)
   Jul-07-21 Hugo Bodenstein (replies)
   Jul-05-21 Lagno vs D Howell, 2002 (replies)
   Jul-05-21 Polgar vs Anand, 1999 (replies)
   Jul-05-21 M Stean vs Keene, 1974 (replies)
   Jul-04-21 A Moiseenko vs Lu Shanglei, 2014 (replies)
   Jun-26-21 Speelman vs Timman, 1989
   Jun-26-21 Cecil Purdy
   Jun-25-21 Svidler vs M Nedobora, 1994
   Jun-23-21 Vidmar vs Przepiorka, 1906 (replies)
   Jun-22-21 Holzke vs Matthew Tan, 2006 (replies)
   Jun-18-21 Staunton vs NN, 1841
   Jun-18-21 Roger D de Coverly
   Jun-17-21 World Championship Candidates (2020/21) (replies)
   Jun-17-21 Smyslov vs Fischer, 1959 (replies)
   Jun-17-21 N Mohota vs J Arizmendi Martinez, 2006 (replies)
   Jun-15-21 Matthew Tan vs Ulybin, 2008
   Jun-15-21 M Tratatovici vs Suba, 1987 (replies)
   Jun-14-21 G Spencer-Smith vs L E Whitehouse, 1961 (replies)
   Jun-13-21 Short vs Ljubojevic, 1991 (replies)
   Jun-11-21 D Gormally vs B Serarols Mabras, 2018
   Jun-11-21 Grischuk vs Deac, 2021 (replies)
   Jun-11-21 Hamilton McMillan
   Jun-09-21 Keres vs Fischer, 1962
   Jun-09-21 Spassky vs Fischer, 1992 (replies)
   Jun-08-21 Reshevsky vs I A Horowitz, 1941
   Jun-07-21 Le Quang Liem vs E Hansen, 2018
   Jun-07-21 Khalifman vs V Popov, 1997 (replies)
   Jun-05-21 Morphy vs H Knott, 1859 (replies)
   Jun-05-21 Staunton - Morphy Match (1858) (replies)
   Jun-03-21 Chandler vs C Crouch, 1995 (replies)
   Jun-01-21 J Feller vs Keene, 1970
   Jun-01-21 Yusupov vs Gavrikov, 1982 (replies)
   May-31-21 Greco vs NN, 1620
   May-27-21 A Barnett vs Shabalov, 2012 (replies)
   May-25-21 Graham Lilley
   May-25-21 Averbakh vs Spassky, 1956
   May-23-21 Lisitsin vs Ragozin, 1934
   May-22-21 Tom Braunlich
   May-22-21 Mikhail Golubev (replies)
   May-21-21 Max Euwe (replies)
   May-21-21 I Jones vs J Dueball, 1974 (replies)
   May-19-21 R E James vs Greg Krimer, 1972
   May-19-21 Carlsen vs Nepomniachtchi, 2021 (replies)
   May-18-21 Enyonam Sewa Fumey vs C Skehan, 2014
   May-17-21 S Conquest vs K Bischoff, 2000
   May-16-21 B Socko vs Krasenkow, 2000 (replies)
   May-14-21 G P Gruen vs D King, 1987 (replies)
   May-11-21 Vocaturo vs Kotronias, 2006 (replies)
   May-10-21 G Jones vs C Boikanyo, 2011 (replies)
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   May-07-21 David M Armstrong (replies)
   May-07-21 D Armstrong vs M E Goldstein, 1947
   May-05-21 J Littlewood vs J Penrose, 1963 (replies)
   May-02-21 Carlsen vs J Wengler, 2000 (replies)
   May-01-21 Shakhriyar Mamedyarov (replies)
   Apr-30-21 D Howell vs S Williams, 2020
   Apr-29-21 Ian Wells (replies)
   Apr-25-21 Stuart Rachels (replies)
   Apr-25-21 Frank Parr (replies)
   Apr-24-21 A Turing vs A Glennie, 1952
   Apr-23-21 Scha / H Schneppe / H Schone vs Lasker / H Keidanski, 1890
   Apr-23-21 A Planinc vs Korchnoi, 1975
   Apr-23-21 Fine vs F Reinfeld, 1934
   Apr-18-21 Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 (replies)
   Apr-16-21 Szabo vs Reshevsky, 1953 (replies)
   Apr-15-21 John K Robinson (replies)
   Apr-15-21 P Markland vs E Bhend, 1972
   Apr-14-21 Koltanowski vs B P Reilly, 1935
   Apr-14-21 G Loar vs B Men, 1992 (replies)
   Apr-14-21 Saint Louis Fall Classic (2017)
   Apr-13-21 J Loftsson vs R Noel, 1971
   Apr-13-21 S Wolff vs Kengis, 1991
   Apr-12-21 J K Robinson vs R C Conway, 1967
   Apr-10-21 Norwegian Championship (2019)
   Apr-10-21 N Lortkipanidze vs S Narayanan, 2008 (replies)
   Apr-09-21 E Paoli vs Bronstein, 1966
   Apr-03-21 Anthony Miles
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   Apr-01-21 Kharlov vs M Kobalia, 2003 (replies)
   Mar-31-21 V Small vs Chandler, 1978
   Mar-29-21 Portisch vs Huebner, 1980 (replies)
   Mar-29-21 Wesley So (replies)
   Mar-24-21 Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 (replies)
   Mar-10-21 Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) (replies)
   Mar-10-21 E Schiller vs E Tate, 2011
   Mar-05-21 Huebner vs Smyslov, 1984
   Mar-05-21 Kmoch vs Alekhine, 1922 (replies)
   Mar-02-21 J A Rizzitano vs S Sloan, 2013 (replies)
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   Feb-02-21 M Keller vs W Bogatzki, 1976 (replies)
   Feb-01-21 Tata Steel Masters (2021) (replies)
   Jan-31-21 Giri vs J van Foreest, 2021 (replies)
   Jan-30-21 Nyback vs Giri, 2010 (replies)
   Jan-28-21 perfidious chessforum (replies)
   Jan-27-21 Edmar Mednis (replies)
   Jan-27-21 A Korobov vs A Mithil, 2018 (replies)
   Jan-24-21 J F Malta vs Bird, 1880 (replies)
   Jan-11-21 Hastings Online All-Play-All (2021) (replies)
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   Dec-26-20 Zhong Zhang vs Y Tong, 1998 (replies)
   Dec-14-20 Petrosian vs M Bertok, 1962 (replies)
   Dec-13-20 Carlsen vs Caruana, 2018
   Nov-09-20 Henry Atkins (replies)
   Nov-08-20 Fischer vs Spassky, 1972 (replies)
   Nov-08-20 Sasikiran vs Short, 2003 (replies)
   Nov-02-20 Seirawan vs M Narciso Dublan, 2011
   Oct-28-20 Jonathan Penrose (replies)
   Oct-15-20 Etienne Bacrot (replies)
   Oct-12-20 Duda vs Carlsen, 2020 (replies)
   Oct-12-20 Norway Chess (2020) (replies)
   Oct-10-20 Carlsen vs Firouzja, 2020 (replies)
   Oct-05-20 Kevin Spraggett (replies)
   Sep-23-20 St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (2020) (replies)
   Sep-21-20 D Gavrilescu vs Baard Dahl, 2019 (replies)
   Sep-20-20 D Navarro Lopez-Menchero vs L Aroshidze, 2012 (replies)
   Sep-15-20 Champions Showdown Chess 9LX (2020) (replies)
   Sep-12-20 Caruana vs Vachier-Lagrave, 2020
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   Sep-06-20 Susan Polgar vs Sofia Polgar, 1989 (replies)
   Sep-06-20 Fischer / Evans vs L M Gersch, 1960 (replies)
   Sep-02-20 Dennis Monokroussos (replies)
   Sep-01-20 Gulko vs Alburt, 1975 (replies)
   Aug-29-20 Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020) (replies)
   Aug-29-20 N Krishna Teja vs L Jarmula, 2018 (replies)
   Aug-28-20 Robert Huebner (replies)
   Aug-28-20 Spassky vs Petrosian, 1966 (replies)
   Aug-25-20 Gligoric vs C Pritchett, 1967 (replies)
   Aug-24-20 Enrique Guzman
   Aug-21-20 Pyotr Pen
   Aug-12-20 Yasser Seirawan (replies)
   Aug-12-20 Christelle Uwamahoro
   Aug-09-20 Maria Pradi Ramos Donaire vs Ashley Todd, 2020 (replies)
   Jul-18-20 P Hair vs S Yee, 2017
   Jul-12-20 Short vs Yusupov, 1984 (replies)
   Apr-30-20 Fischer vs J Sherwin, 1957
   Apr-13-20 Mark Hebden (replies)
   Apr-08-20 Mednis vs G Kramer, 1961 (replies)
   Apr-08-20 P Carlsson vs Campos Moreno, 2006 (replies)
   Mar-28-20 Motylev vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2005 (replies)
   Mar-14-20 NN vs Philidor, 1749
   Mar-13-20 Nutcracker Match of the Generations (2020) (replies)
   Feb-27-20 Euwe vs Keres, 1940 (replies)
   Feb-13-20 Smyslov vs Botvinnik, 1954 (replies)
   Jan-22-20 Svidler vs Z Almasi, 2003
   Jan-09-20 Rellstab vs Najdorf, 1950
   Jan-06-20 Tal vs Benko, 1959 (replies)
   Dec-17-19 Grand Prix Jerusalem (2019) (replies)
   Dec-17-19 Louis Paulsen (replies)
   Dec-11-19 London Chess Classic GCT Finals (2019) (replies)
   Dec-10-19 Santasiere vs N Bakos, 1949 (replies)
   Dec-10-19 G Botterill vs Mecking, 1972 (replies)
   Dec-08-19 F Kafka vs Hromadka, 1921
   Dec-02-19 Raymond Keene (replies)
   Nov-30-19 Keene vs Miles, 1976 (replies)
   Nov-29-19 Pachman vs J H Donner, 1955 (replies)
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  diceman: <Dionysius1: I'm posting this game>

Nice game Dionysius1, you played the ending very well.

That said, 7.c5 isn't that good of an idea.
(black should play a quick b6 to break it up) The <experts> believe the c4 pawn hampers blacks ability to break with c5/e5.

<(black should play a quick b6 to break it up) >

I'm no expert on the line, but I assume he brings his bishop out on a6.

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  Dionysius1: Thanks <diceman>. Yes, I've thought through 7.c5 and I can see it's not as good as I believed. It's hard to give up on it though, partly because it worked of course, but also because it "should work". The vanity of it!

I think one of the reasons I'm so loyal to my play up to 20.a6 is that over and over again looking back over games I've had to accept that I'm timid. Well this once I got an idea and went for it and it worked! For a while as I was playing, chess seemed a simple game again :-)

I can't remember feeling so loyal to a move even though I see it doesn't work. That's a weird feeling!

I really do appreciate your comment about the endgame. Thanks for taking the time.

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  OhioChessFan: Per the WCC, it's a Brave New World in chess, particularly match play. To win a tournament, you've got to take some chances, and consequently, lose some games when the chances don't come through. That doesn't apply here. I would be shocked if there's more than one decisive game for each side. They're sort of forced to play it safe.
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  Dionysius1: Has anyone ever published a system for assessing a position, purely based on counting?

Let's say 1 point for every central square I have total control over, half a point for a shared control, points for how many squares each piece can move to within the laws of the game, and maybe more for every square each piece can move to without being taken.

It would be interesting how often the person with say 10 points more than his opponent went on to win the game.

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  diceman: <Dionysius1: Has anyone ever published a system for assessing a position, purely based on counting?>

I seem to remember Hans Berliner having a book called <The System> doing something like that. Something about where your pcs were, and the squares they controlled being converted into numbers, or a rating.

I can't really remember the details

<Hans Berliner is one of the most successful correspondence chess players of all time, and was utterly dominant in the 5th World Championship. Here, for the first time, he explains the set of principles - The System - that he used to guide him to the right moves. Readers will be astonished by the simplicity and power of Berliner's methods as he takes several major openings and subjects them to System principles, and finds radically new approaches to them. Hans Berliner was a correspondence chess world champion and a computer scientist.>

<About the Author

Dr. Hans Berliner enjoyed considerable success as an over-the-board player before turning to correspondence chess, and in this form of the game, his systematic approach made him a world-beater. His lifetime score was 94 wins, 1 loss, and 10 draws. After winning the 5th World Championship by a margin of three clear points, he turned his efforts toward computer programming. He first wrote a backgammon program that beat the reigning world champion in 1979, then he moved on to chess programming. His Hitech program won the World Computer Championship twice and was one of the first programs to score good results against top-level human players.>

<His lifetime score was 94 wins, 1 loss, and 10 draws.>


Dec-02-21  parisattack: There was also Point Count Chess by Horowitz and Mott-Smith...ideas they brought over from experiences playing bridge.
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  Dionysius1: Heh, thanks for that <parisattack> and <diceman>.

I might nurdle around with the idea for a while, and come back here with it in case it's fun to talk about.

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  Dionysius1: What about a simultaneous puzzle display?

30 people compose their own puzzles, have them verified by the display's engine, and sit in the losing seat. The master/mistress has 30 seconds for their first move. If it's the winning move it's announced as such and they move on.

In each case if their first move is wrong they play the game to its finish, playing one move per round as in a regular simul.

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  Dionysius1: I had an aunt who ran a gardening reform school for wayward women.

When she got exasperated she'd say you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.

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  Dionysius1: I'm going to create a list of humorous chess moments. I don't mean funny things that happen to chess players - there are lots of those.

I mean combinations that have humour about them - maybe a combo which turns an opponent's combo against itself or a move that turns out to be good for a different reason than you'd think.

I just have a sneaky feeling that some chess sequences that make us laugh might make the earnest study by the kibitzer a bit easier.

And a sneaking suspicion that there's no such thing as humour in chess moves! Arghh!

If anyone comes across one will they let me know and I'll see about putting them in one of those special lists here on

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  moronovich: Good morning <Dionysius ! >

Sounds like a good idea.

There is a book called "The Joy of Chess", which may hit som of your criteria(s).

One puzzle still lingers in my mind.In a seemingly hopeless situation,white underpromotes to a BLACK knight and hence it is a stalemate and a draw....Off course the only move that secures the draw.The puzzle is from decades ago and at that time there were nothing in the rules about which color the promoted piece should have :)

Happy New Year.

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  Dionysius1: Hi <moronovich>. That's the kind of thing, thanks. I'll see if I can track it down.
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  chancho: <Dionysius1> I hate to nitpick... but in your diagram, the black Bishop on c4 is supposed to be a pawn when 19.♕xf7 is played.

Happy New Year.


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  Dionysius1: Thanks - so it is :-). This FEN takes some getting right!

The correct position in my previous post is therefore

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And a Happy New Year to you too

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  Dionysius1: <Anyone reading this should understand that it was better for me to delete the incorrect board in my previous post - which meant losing the post. So this post is the one <chancho> was kindly replying to. It should all be intelligible with that in mind. Best wishes all, Dion.>

I'm in a quandary. I like to maintain that chess is an art form (and look down a bit on chess as sport, however an elite sport it may be). But do I then have to accept that the chess is spoiled if a combination can be shown to be flawed. Does it stop being beautiful? And do I have to accept that a flawed combination is "just" entertainment?

What started me off on this jag was playing over Tal vs Smyslov, 1959

My goodness, the passage:

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19.♕xf7 with a smothered mate in the offing and if 19...♖xf7 ♖xd8 and mate, 20.♕a1+ forcing Tal to block the ♖ line to d8 20.♔d2 ♖xf7 21.♘xf7+ ♔g8 22.♖x♕ ♔xf7 23.♘e5+ ♔e6 24.♘xc6

is wonderful, joyous, inspired and I want to call it art.

But there's a lot of talk about how Tal's combinations aren't always proof against computer analysis.

If it's flawed, can it be art, or do I just need to accept that it's cracking entertainment?

In short, if it's wrong can it still be inspired? And do I have to wait for computer confirmation before I decide if a combination is art or "just" entertainment?

And isn't that giving a computer far too much authority, letting it be the arbiter between entertainment and art?

Jan-02-22  Schwartz: In the movie "A Beautiful Mind," the main character says go is flawed. Sport can still be art I think. The combination may be spoiled (maybe not check with queen) and yet the game still be worthwhile.
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  Dionysius1: Thanks <Schwartz>. It's such a luxury to be able to share and clarify my thinking this way. What a good thing this kibitzing is, for all the different purposes to which people put it!
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  Dionysius1: The game I refer to above is Tal vs Smyslov, 1959
Jan-02-22  Schwartz: There's also "Bicentennial Man" with Robbin Williams. Got interrupted last time I tried to watch that. I hear it's good.
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  technical draw: <There's also "Bicentennial Man" with Robbin Williams. I hear it's good.>

Robin Williams was embarrassed by it but I thought it was good.

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  diceman: <Dionysius1:

If it's flawed, can it be art, or do I just need to accept that it's cracking entertainment?>

<flawed> is a tricky word. By definition, every game with a win is <flawed.> Theory says the result of chess should be a draw.

In your diagram, Smyslov has already <flawed> the game, by allowing Tal's combination to exist.

<In short, if it's wrong can it still be inspired?>

It would depend on how <wrong> it is. A simple defense, would probably be called <wrong>. Something only a computer would find, and we'd probably cut the human some slack.

<And isn't that giving a computer far too much authority>

The computer is simply truth.
In this case it was in Tal's corner.
In others it may not be.
You ultimately decide how to rate things.

<Flawed> humans play chess. The computer just tells you how <flawed> they are.

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  Dionysius1: Always great to see a post from you <diceman>

I get what you say, but I want to hold on to a more objective/absolute sense of chess as art before I concede your point.

But if I hold on to it too tightly I'll end up having to concede that only perfectly fought draws can be art, and that's a bit OTT.

I'll see what I can come up with. And thanks in the meantime.

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  Dionysius1: Maybe my only safe ground for chess as art is in chess problems, where a cooked solution disqualifies itself.
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  George Wallace: Why does chess have to be perfect to qualify as artistic? It might be the case that anything that can be measured and calculated to be perfect is by definition not a thing can be be called art.

Consider the Mona Lisa. We all agree it's art, but it cannot be measured scientifically like a chess engine can measure the moves of a combination.

Poetry, likewise, is considered art, but it is not by nature the kind of thing that can be perfected, in the sense that the perfect can only exist if there is an objective standard by which it can be measured.

I think this goes for all forms of art.

One of the main characteristics of art is creativity. When we are struck by the creative output of someone, it can come across as art. Such creative force is in a different category from those things that can be calculated and be either perfect or imperfect.

Consider now, boxing. The art of pugilism. This is a sport that is often considered both an art and a sport. Muhammad Ali was so great at boxing that many considered him an artist, yet he missed many punches, and failed to dodge them all as well - yet this imperfection does not detract from the artistic enjoyment he provided to boxing fans.

When John Coltrane would improvise, and we almost all can agree that he was a great jazz artist, he would often overreach as he explored the margins of harmony and melodic development, and when he did overreach, he would blow a clunker, or bad note somewhere, but he would use that bad note as a challenge. Instead of letting it pass as a mistake, he would use that very thing as a motif to riff off of over the next few bars, and turn it into something musical, and try to find a way to travel back to the main theme from that developed clunker.

Consider everyone's favorite laid-back painter, Bob Ross. Bob Ross used to say that when painting, there are no mistakes, just happy accidents. He would purposely make a "mistake" to demonstrate to his TV audience, many of whom were painting along with him, how to turn that into something of value, much like Coltrane did during his improvs.

I think if we are dealing with something where the perfect is the enemy of the good, then it can't be art. But if chess is an art, then we can't measure the artfulness of it by holding the moves of a combination up to the perfection of a chess engine, and if we do, then neither can the "truth" of the chess engine invalidate the measure of artistic quality inherent in a chess game, because whatever is being measured in this way can't be the artistic part of the game.

Now some people will point out that if there are any mistakes, such as those made by Coltrane or Bob Ross, then we are dealing with something objective, and that brings perfection back into play for some, but not necessarily, because we can consider a mistake merely missing the mark of one's intention, rather than missing the mark of some external objective standard.

Some may argue that there is, on the deepest level, some sort of connection between beauty and truth. In this sense, when we think of truth, we have to think of communication, because truth is about communicating, i.e. it is a description of reality. In this sense, if art is reflecting reality, perhaps even in the abstract sense, then it functions as a sort of communication, and therefore it has a relationship with Truth.

Postmoderns like Martin Heidegger dispute the entire notion of truth being an objective thing, so there's a whole school of thought out there that appreciates art but in no way considers a relationship with objective truth to be a necessary aspect.

For me, personally, I think the idea of art is just fuzzy enough to include whatever you want it to include, including chess combinations, and that perfection, as calculated by chess engines, doesn't play much of a part in it determining whether it's good chess art, bad chess art, or not artistic at all.

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  Dionysius1: Thanks <George Wallace> I do want art to be something to do with perfection - looks like I'll have to consider my defences. is a heck of a discussion chamber when it can provide space for responses like that!

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