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Member since May-13-08 · Last seen Jun-11-21
I live in Sydney Australia, and have been a CC player since 1980, with my only significant OTB play being 4 years of high school chess in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I have an interest in chess history, and enjoy playing through interesting games from the past, and learning about the famous and not so famous players who have graced the great game of chess.
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   GrahamClayton has kibitzed 7664 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jun-10-21 Karl Diller (replies)
GrahamClayton: Why would someone travel halfway across the country to take part in a simul and last just 5 moves? There was a Karl Diller who was a linguistics educator who worked in Pittsburgh. Could he be the same person who lost to Koltanowski?
   Jun-10-21 Manuel Matto
GrahamClayton: Apart from Matto, do any other local Gibraltar players compete in the Tradewise tournaments?
   Jun-10-21 B Jacobsen vs Chernin, 2009
GrahamClayton: There is no defence to 30...h6 trapping the rook on g5.
   Jun-10-21 Maria Palmer
GrahamClayton: After representing Jamaica in the 2002 Olympiad, Palmer moved to Nigeria, where she represented her new country under her married name of Maria Bello.
   Jun-10-21 Sameer Sursock
GrahamClayton: Sursock's victory in the 1992 Lebanese Championship was the first time that the tournament had been held since 1974, due to the ongoing civil war.
   Jun-10-21 R Cecchetti vs A Kassis, 2014
GrahamClayton: Picturesque final position: [DIAGRAM]
   Jun-10-21 A Gromer vs F Sulik, 1940
GrahamClayton: The game between the winner of the 1940 Buenos Aires tournament (Gromer) and the runner-up (Sulik) results in a quick win for Gromer, as Sulik's knights get caught on the side of the board.
   Jun-10-21 Kasparov vs G West, 1977
GrahamClayton: Shame that this game has already been "Game of The Day", otherwise I would have suggested this pun:
   Jun-10-21 E Nakar vs A Merry, 2014
GrahamClayton: <Phony Benoni> It's not often that a single piece captures three enemies on the same square within five moves. <Phony Benoni> The chess version of "Fatal Attraction"?
   Jun-10-21 E E Colman vs H Jacobs, 1911
GrahamClayton: Of the 6 games in the database that feature quadrupled pawns, this game holds the record for the fewest moves (17) played before the quadrupled pawns appear.
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  GrahamClayton: <jessicafischerqueen>

To let you know, there is a limit of characters that can fit into the tags on the pgns.

<jessicafischerqueen> Thank you for letting me know - I will send a correction asking for a shorter [Event] tag.

Nov-16-20  optimal play: Hello Graham

I just checked out that correspondence game you submitted between the Hobart Town Chess Club and the Northern Tasmanian Chess Club from 1861 and also the telegraph one against the George Town Chess Club from 1858.

I think those old Australian colonial games are very interesting.

A while back I extracted a couple of correspondence games between the Launceston Chess Club and Green Ponds Chess Club (both in Van Diemen's Land) from Trove newspapers dated 1848.

I didn't bother submitting them since they're not great quality and didn't seem to meet the criteria to be included in Chessgames database.

Nevertheless, I found them of interest simply for their historical value.

Anyway, since I notice those submissions of yours have been accepted, perhaps I will submit those 1848 games after all.

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<optimal play> by all means submit them. Club vs Club and City vs City games have a special fascination for many chess fans, I am sure. I know I am fascinated by them.

Examples: Game Collection: City of Riga and Latvian Cities corr

Game Collection: Latvian Chess Clubs correspondence

And then there are certain historical masters who seem to have done their best work as members of such teams, often involved in high drama such as Piers Bohl.

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<Graham Clayton>

There's no need to submit a correction slip to alter the name of your event tag. I can do that straight away, at your convenience.

Just let me know the exact title you want me to put in, given that you have exactly this many letters to work with- and "spaces" count as "letters," I should imagine:

<Hobart Town Chess Club v Northern Tasmanian Chess Club corre>

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<Graham Clayton> Like you, I prefer to type out "Chess Club" in my pgn tags, but some use "CC" for that if they think they need the extra letter spaces for more information.

Rough consensus on Event tagging around here seems to be "CC" = Chess Club and "corr" = correspondence.

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  GrahamClayton: <jessicafischerqueen>

[Event "Hobart Town CC v Northern Tasmanian CC"]

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Hobart Town Chess Club vs Northern Tasmanian Chess Club, 1861

Nov-16-20  optimal play: <jessicafischerqueen: <optimal play> by all means submit them.>


<Club vs Club and City vs City games have a special fascination for many chess fans, I am sure. I know I am fascinated by them.>


They're always unusual. Especially the olden-day ones.

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<optimal play> Did you submit one or two games?

The processing page is still in beta stage so at present it's not totally stable. No serious problems though and we have a few workarounds at our disposal.

This is the game I recieved:

[Event "Launceston CC v Green Ponds CC corr match"] [Site "Tasmania, Australia"]
[Date "1848.??.??"]
[EventDate "1848"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Launceston Chess Club"]
[Black "Green Ponds Chess Club"]
[ECO "C38"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "32"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.O-O h6 7.c3 Qe7 8.h3 Nc6 9.g4 fxg3 10.Nxg5 hxg5 11.Rxf7 Qxe4 12.Rxg7 Rxh3 13.Rxg8+ Kd7 14.Be6+ Kxe6 15.Re8+ Ne7 16.0-1

If you did submit more than this one game, just re-submit them in the <PGN Upload Utility> and they should reach me.

Also feel free to contact me in my personal forum about this or for any other reason. I don't want to wear out my welcome at <Graham's> house!

Nov-17-20  optimal play: <jessicafischerqueen: <optimal play> Did you submit one or two games?>


<If you did submit more than this one game, just re-submit them in the <PGN Upload Utility> and they should reach me.>


Thanks for your help.

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<optimal play>

I just saw your re-submission in the list- it looked perfectly fine to me, but for some reason the processor does not want to publish it.

Might you post the pgn in my forum so that I can take a forensic look at it?

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<Good evening>

On this submission:

[Event "??"]
[Site "Moscow, USSR"]
[Date "1929.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Iosif Januschpolski"]
[Black "Dmitry Osipovich Rovner"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteELO "?"]
[BlackELO "?"]
[Source "Bill Wall, 500 Sicilian Miniatures, p.7-8"]

1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. a3 d5 4. exd5 Qxd5 5. Bb2 e5 6. axb4 Bxb4 7. f4 Nc6 8. fxe5 Nxe5 9. Qe2 f6 10. c3 Be7 11. d4 Bg4 12. Qe3 Nh6 13. Nd2 Nd7 14. Ne2 Qe6 15. Qf2 Nf5 16. c4 Ne3 17. Rc1 Bb4 18. d5 Nc5 0-1


If I publish this pgn, I will create a new player page for the same person.

The new player page would be: Iosif Januschpolski

The player already in our database would is Iosif Lvovich Yanushpolsky

It's important to spend some serious time checking to see if your player spelling in submissions matches the spelling we have at

This could take hours, but usually it doesn't. I am going to ask you to take this time in future.

This is how I do it.

1. Check the exact spelling you submit in the <Main Search Box>- not the <quick search box> which is on the top of the home page.

2. Check for alternate spellings. Start by searching last name only and examine the drop down list. Look for any similar spellings and check those player pages- there may already be duplicate pages. As an uploader, it is your responsibility to check this thoroughly. Names such as Januschpolski are particularly prone to alternate spellings. The only reason I knew about Iosif Lvovich Yanushpolsky in the first place is that I had to search- long and hard- to find that name in our database, because I knew ahead of time that he was 1. A somewhat well-known player (you can often tell by the event he is in) and 2. There were letter combinations with frequent alternate spellings- "sch" "ski" "Yan" could be "sh" "sky" "Jan" for example.

3. Check google. Google the name you are about to submit. Search terms like "(name submitted + chess), or (name submitted + chess games) are useful.

4. Check the spelling used at and Edochess. Their spelling may give hints as to which spellings to investigate in our database.

5. This is the most important step of all- if you are submitting a game with a player name that you cannot find in our database, please post your pgn in the <Biographer's Bistro> and ask if the name is already in under a different spelling.

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<Good morning>

Your new submissions have been published- here is the game I was talking about above:

Iosif Lvovich Yanushpolsky vs D Rovner, 1929


I am going to wait before publishing this submission:

[Event "??"]
[Site "Chicago, IL"]
[Date "1986.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Andrew Schremser"]
[Black "Leslie Bale"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteELO "?"]
[BlackELO "?"]
[Source "Bill Wall, 500 Pirc Miniatures, p. 441"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6 4. f4 d5 5. e5 h5 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. h3 Bxf3 8. Qxf3 e6 9. Bd2 Ne7 10. O-O-O Nf5 11. Be1 Na6 12. Bf2 Bf8 13. g4 Ng7 14. a3 Qa5 15. Be1 Bxa3 16. bxa3 Qxa3+ 17. Kd2 c5 18. Bg3 Ke7 19. Nxd5+ 1-0

While checking the player names, I discovered that there are duplicate player pages for <Leslie Bale>.

The only reason I found this is because I copy and paste every single player name into the Main Search box before submitting any pgn. I would ask you please to adopt this practice as well.

In this case, we don't want to publish a game that has a player with a duplicate page. First, I will submit a correction slip to requesting that Leslie Bale and Leslie Bale be merged.

Once the correction slip has been processed, then I will publish your submission.

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  Stonehenge: can be used too for finding players.

ctrl-f and type some letters.

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  Stonehenge: Oh yes, adding a source to your correction slips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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  GrahamClayton: <Stonehenge> and <jessicafischerqueen>, Thank you very much for your feedback.
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<Graham Clayton>

Your file is ready! Thank you for your uploads.

Andrew Schremser vs L Bale, 1986

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  Stonehenge: When uploading games from Edward Winter's site, please make sure to include dots in every move. Now an editor (me) has to do all of that.
Dec-18-20  Z4all: ( Kinda wish <Stonehenge> cited an (the?) example... to save me the time of digging one out... but I did, allthesame.)

Consider this snippet from C.N. 11709

1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nd7 5 Nf3 Ngf6 6 Bd3 Nxe4 7 Bxe4 Nf6 8 Bd3 b6 9 Bb5+ Bd7 10 Bxd7+ Qxd7 11 Ne5 Qd5 12 O-O c5 13 c4 Qb7 14 Qa4+ Nd7 15 Rd1 Rd8 16 Nc6 Rc8 17 d5 a6 18 Qb3 Nf6 19 Qe3 Bd6 20 f4 O-O 21 Qd3 exd5 22 cxd5 Rfe8 23 b3 Bf8 24 Bb2 Nxd5 25 Na5 bxa5 26 Qxd5 Qb4 27 Be5 Red8 28 Qxd8 Rxd8 29 Rxd8 f6 30 Bb2 c4 31 Bd4 cxb3 32 axb3 Kf7 33 Rc1 Kg6 34 g4 Bd6 35 f5+ Kg5

36 Be3+ Kh4 37 Kf2 Bf4 38 Rd3 Qe4 39 Ke2 Bxe3 40 Rxe3 Qg2+ 41 Kd3 a4 42 Rc4 Qb2 43 Ke4 Kxg4 44 Kd5+ Kxf5 45 Rf3+ Kg6 46 Rg3+ Draw

<Converting it to a "standard / canonical" form is trivial with <SCID>...

1. New game (obvious)
2. Ctrl-Shift-i (import PGN)
3. Cut and paste the above into the dialogue box. 4. Import (Alt-i)
5. Paste Current Game (Alt-p)

And now you can cut-and-paste a proper PGN... dots and all!

*** Note this will also help you find errors in the input PGN, if they existed [which they "never" do on Winter's site - ha!] *** >

([Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round ""]
[White ""]
[Black ""]
[Result "*"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Nf3 Ngf6 6.Bd3 Nxe4 7.Bxe4 Nf6 8.Bd3 b6 9.Bb5+ Bd7 10.Bxd7+ Qxd7 11.Ne5 Qd5 12.O-O c5 13.c4 Qb7 14.Qa4+ Nd7 15.Rd1 Rd8 16.Nc6 Rc8 17.d5 a6 18.Qb3 Nf6 19.Qe3 Bd6 20. f4 O-O 21.Qd3 exd5 22.cxd5 Rfe8 23.b3 Bf8 24.Bb2 Nxd5 25.Na5 bxa5 26. Qxd5 Qb4 27.Be5 Red8 28.Qxd8 Rxd8 29.Rxd8 f6 30.Bb2 c4 31.Bd4 cxb3 32.axb3 Kf7 33.Rc1 Kg6 34.g4 Bd6 35.f5+ Kg5 36.Be3+ Kh4 37.Kf2 Bf4 38.Rd3 Qe4 39.Ke2 Bxe3 40.Rxe3 Qg2+ 41.Kd3 a4 42.Rc4 Qb2 43.Ke4 Kxg4 44.Kd5+ Kxf5 45.Rf3+ Kg6 46.Rg3+ *

(FWIW - the Draw finish isn't recognized by SCID, and is ignored)

Dec-18-20  Z4all: Hope <Stonehenge> wasn't doing all that by hand!
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Thanks to your initiative, the Upload Utility sample PGN now has a source tag!

PGN Upload Utility

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<Z4all> Me too, for <Stony's> sake. He's certainly not work-shy at any rate eh?

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  GrahamClayton: <GrahamClayton>

Thanks to your initiative, the Upload Utility sample PGN now has a source tag!

<jessicafischerqueen> Thanks Jessica!

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  GrahamClayton: A nice puzzle by Latvian chess composer Johann Sehwers, in which the White rook cooperating together with the bishop makes the Black queen run out of safe squares:

click for larger view

1. Rd8 (1. ... Qg7 2. Bd4+; 1. ... Qg6 2. Rd6+; 1. ... Qg5 2. Bh4+) 1...Qh7 2. Rh8 (2...Qh8 2. Bd4+) 2...Qg6 3. Rh6+ Qh6 4. g5+ (4...Kg5 5. Be3+; 4...Qg5 5. Bh4)

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  perfidious: Clever problem.
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