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Susan Freeman
Member since Sep-23-18 · Last seen Jun-24-21
My son was Daniel Freeman, one of the founders and trail blazers of this remarkable site, who passed away suddenly and unexpectedly on July 24th , 2018. (My actual surname is not Freeman.)

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   Susan Freeman has kibitzed 1780 times to chessgames   [more...]
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Susan Freeman: <saffuna> show me
 
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Susan Freeman: <I miss <Annie>. Did she get too big for her boots, or did <Miss Susan> drive her away?> <MissS> the short answer is both.
 
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Susan Freeman: That is noon EST
 
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Jan-10-21  Keyser Soze: Saffuna, piss off old man...

Hows your legal case is doing on Peru?

I heard is not over.. the kids are alright bro??

Piss off

Jan-10-21
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  OhioChessFan: Susan, let me ease tension and sing a song to you:

https://youtu.be/X8F_9-pHqhs

Jan-10-21
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  George Wallace: I’m all in on the bet.

You?

Put up or shut up!

Jan-10-21
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  saffuna: <Hows your legal case is doing on Peru?

I heard is not over.. the kids are alright bro??>

<susan>, this is pure <keyser soze>. Simply invents that I have some legal trouble. Pure invention.

Jan-10-21  realdumptrump: Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #457188)
Jan-12-21  Ybr: <George Wallace: I’m all in on the bet, <saffuna>. You?

Put up or shut up!>

Well, <george wallace> , i have repeatedly mentioned that you are very obviously not <big pawn> because you understood refutation of <omv argument> when i explained whereas <big pawn> does not even undersrand philosophy of Absolute let alone understanding refutation of <omv argument> based on Absolute.

2) having said that , regarding your bet , you can not settle your disagreement with <saffuna> that way because what if <big pawn> was travelling when he made his sock puppets and made sock puppets when he was in diffenent places and he also used different mail ids for them .

Even if he made them at the same place , at best , it would be revealed that those sock puppets use same internet service provider (if <big pawn> used different mail ids ...moreover , <big pawn> can change mail id at any time in his settings ).

So , this disagreement can not be settled in the way you suggesting

Regards.

Jan-13-21
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  Big Pawn: <Susan>, I am going to ask you to read what I'm about to share here, and read it thoughtfully. You'll see that <realdumptrump>, who is a <Zanzibar> sock, is trying to get me <CANCELED> here and in order to make his case, he shares a post of mine that he thinks is over the line.

I will argue that he really just wants to silence me and it has nothing to do with writing an offensive post. Notice that none of the libs have brought the following post to your attention. Also notice that none of the RIGHT have cried about banning this poster because of this.

A call to put conservatives in concentration camps and have them tortured.

<al wazir: What we need now is help from the Chinese. Currently, they have detained over a million Uighurs in so-called "vocational training centers" in Xinjiang. These are actually concentration camps in which the prisoners, who are members of Muslim minorities, are infused with communist doctrines and nationalist sentiment, enforced by physical coercion. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...

This is pretty severe, but it's the sort of thing the commies are good at.

Here in the U.S., we have 75 million people who are similarly in need of having their thinking realigned. But straightening out ignorant, deluded, bigoted, paranoid citizens is *not* the sort of thing we Americans are good at.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

It's time to make a deal.>

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #457501)

Think this is cherry picking?

< al wazir: In his speeches Hitler never said that all Jews should be killed. He talked about how they were evil and hateful and grasping and treasonous, and he said that they were a problem that had to be solved, but he never said in so many words that the solution of the problem was total extermination.

He wasn't against Jews, he only objected to some of their actions. So it's wrong to call him antisemitic. It's wrong to say that he was a mass murderer. If some of his followers misunderstood him and got carried away, that wasn't his fault.>

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #456894)

<Susan>, I hope you do NOT remove these posts. I hope you do NOT silence these libs. However, I do want you to realize that they only cry <HATE SPEECH> when attempting to silence their opposition. It has nothing to do with real principles, as there is a clear double standard in play.

Jan-13-21  Ybr: <big pawn><Notice that none of the libs have brought the following post to your attention, susan>

<Big pawn> is right . This post of <al wazir> is way over the line. Reminds me of repugnant , fascist posts that <big pawn> posts all the time.

<Big pawn> is right - people call out racist , facist abusive posts of <big pawn> all the time including those posts where he often calls for murdering of pelosi and other democrat leaders and hanging their dead naked bodies on trees , these people should call out this facist post by <al wazir> too

I condemn both <big pawn> and <al wazir >

I hope that satisfies you , <big pawn>

Regards.

Jan-14-21  Ybr: <george wallace> <You said, clearly, forcefully, that you were going to delete the Rogoff page and then you didn't, susan> Oh, you speculating why rogoffland is not nuked ?

Let me tell you the real reason :

Why cg.com not legally liable for the facist, racist , abusive posts and murder fantasies posted by <big pawn> and why cg.com not nuking rogoff forum : <section 230>

<Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act was passed in 1996 and provides legal immunity to internet companies for content that is shared on their websites

According to the regulation, “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”

This means that online companies, including social media platforms, are not liable for the content shared on their website by its users. So if a user posts something illegal on the website, the company is protected from lawsuits. In addition, the regulation also states that private companies have the right to remove content that violates their guidelines and values. Thus, the big tech companies were well within their rights when they decided to suspend Trump’s accounts.>

https://indianexpress.com/article/e...

Jan-14-21  realdumptrump: I'm not condoning <al w>'s posts, a classic case of what-about-ism.

It's about condemning <BP>'s posts, with their threats of violence, both explicit and implicit.

Please note that it's been mis-characterized as petty a conflict - it's not, though it is personal in some measure, it's about the kind of website <CG> has been, and will be.

I do have a personal say in the matter, and it is generally relevant (today they come for me, tomorrow ... ?):

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #346316)

And this from July 2020, when <Zanzibar> wasn't even active on <CG>:

<If it keeps up, I predict that there will be lib massacres in the streets. The <Noks> and <Zanzibars> of America will be found and killed.

It happens in every country at one time or another, and it looks like it could happen here.

The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants from time to time. >

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #436363)

Is this the kind of site <CG> has become, where active and non-active good standing members of the community are threatened with physical violence by another member?

Well?

I know this isn't easy, but Daniel would never have allowed it, nor should you Susan.

.

Jan-14-21  Ybr: <realdonaldtrump><big pawn : "<If it keeps up, I predict that there will be lib massacres in the streets. The <Noks> and <Zanzibars> of America will be found and killed.">

For quite some time now , <big pawn> or his socks posting such fantasies of murder , mob killing very frequently , very regularly.

.

Jan-14-21
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  Big Pawn: < realdumptrump: I'm not condoning <al w>'s posts, a classic case of what-about-ism. >

Libs call for <concentration camps> for conservatives and no one on the Rogoff page rebuked the idea or the poster. Therefore, all of your whining and crying about my offensive posts is just blatant hypocrisy on display, and your attempts to manipulate <Susan> will fail.

If you were really interested in <protecting CG> from offensive posts, then you would have called for <Al Wazir's> cancellation after he made that post, but you didn't.

I will be here, enjoying free speech, writing offensive (to you) posts and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

NEXT!

Jan-14-21
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  Diademas: <Big Pawn: < realdumptrump: I'm not condoning <al w>'s posts, a classic case of what-about-ism. > Libs call for <concentration camps> for conservatives and no one on the Rogoff page rebuked the idea or the poster.>

Another lie.
Stop running to mummy with your grievings soy boy.

Jan-14-21
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  Big Pawn: <Diddlemas>, your mild rebuke doesn't count, because it only happened after I dragged it out of you by running his post up the flag pole.

Unlike you libs, I am not calling for <Al Wazir> to be canceled from the site. I am here demonstrating a clear double standard in my <defense>.

I have the right to defend myself and that's what I'm doing. You don't like it?

Too bad!

Jan-14-21
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  Diademas: < Big Pawn: <Diddlemas>, your mild rebuke doesn't count, because it only happened after I dragged it out of you by running his post up the flag pole.>

You're referring to this I guess.
<your willingness to see 75 million of your countrymen in concentration camps just for not sharing your worldview, makes me question your sanity.>

That's not <no one on the Rogoff page rebuked the idea or the poster.>

And where was all the uproar for this sick post calling for violence and murder amongst the "Elite" posters?

<It may get so out of control that <millions> need to die before all is well again. Millions, and I mean millions.

It doesn't have to be this way.

1. We need to identify BLM and ANTIFA as terrorists.

2. We need to kill them all.

This is a war and they are <here>, not overseas in Afghanistan. Not in Iraq. Not in Syria. This is the <fifth column> I've been talking about.> Big Pawn chessforum (kibitz #4248)

Or to paraphrase yourself: <Then show me the outrage from conservatives over this comment. There is none. Zero.

Silence is consent.>

<Unlike you libs, I am not calling for <Al Wazir> to be canceled from the site. I am here demonstrating a clear double standard in my <defense>.

I have the right to defend myself and that's what I'm doing. You don't like it?

Too bad!>

Me, me, me...
All I hear is whining.

Jan-14-21
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  Big Pawn: <Diddimas>, your last comment is easily refuted.

1. The Elite Posters are not the ones calling for censorship, so their silence on my offensive post is consistent. The libs are the ones calling for censorship, trying to get me canceled for writing offensive posts, but I proved here that their outrage is selective and not genuine and used their silence on <Wazir's> post as proof.

2. My post is not analogous to <Al Wazir's> post. <Al Wazir> straight up calls for putting conservatives in <concentration camps> to torture them.

My post is a <warning> about what <may happen> if something isn't done about the <agitators> who are eventually going to push us into war.

Finally, your rebuke regarding <Al Wazir's> concentration camp post <doesn't count> because I had to shame you into it. You had ample time to condemn it on your own, but you went silent, with all the other libs. Your rebuke came too late, and it's too little as well.

I am not calling for <Al Wazir> to be censored, suspended or canceled from <cg> because he wants to put Christians in <concentration camps> and torture us. I just want <Susan> to be well aware of the double standard, the hypocrisy, the phoniness and the dishonesty of the <cancel culture libs> on the Rogoff page.

If she had deleted the Rogoff page in the first place, like she said she was going to do, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Jan-14-21
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  saffuna: <1. The Elite Posters are not the ones calling for censorship, so their silence on my offensive post is consistent.>

The "Elite Posters" [sic] effectively define censorship, as the Free Speech Zone [sic] where they post has a list of ten people who are permanently censored from posting on that page.

Jan-14-21
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  Big Pawn: <saffuna: <1. The Elite Posters are not the ones calling for censorship, so their silence on my offensive post is consistent.> The "Elite Posters" [sic] effectively define censorship, as the Free Speech Zone [sic] where they post has a list of ten people who are permanently censored from posting on that page.>

I knew if I temporarily removed you from the Iggy list, that I would see you here posting.

You are incorrect. The Free Speech Zone (Non-PC) does not engage in censorship of any kind. There are liberals that post there whenever they want and we welcome the disagreement.

What we engage in is righteous discrimination. That is, we dont' allow trolls to troll the page.

What's the difference?

The difference is this: the liberals that post there freely can discuss the <exact same ideas> as the banned trolls. Therefore, there is no censorship. Any idea is allowed to be discussed, so there is no censorship.

It's the <people> who are being <discriminated> against and not the <content>, which would be censorship.

Finally, I told you a long time ago. I said, "<Tuna>, if you promise to post seriously, substantively and with insight, and contribute valuable posts that find themselves at the top of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, and you turn over a new leaf and stop trolling, then I will let you into the Free Speech Zone".

But you did not take me up on that, so you remain with your nose pressed up against the glass on the outside, fogging up my windows.

Jan-14-21
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  saffuna: <You are incorrect. The Free Speech Zone (Non-PC) does not engage in censorship of any kind.>

Of course it does. It prohibits a number of people from posting.

You censor me by saying I can only make certain types of posts.

Jan-14-21
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  Big Pawn: <saffuna: <You are incorrect. The Free Speech Zone (Non-PC) does not engage in censorship of any kind.> Of course it does. It prohibits a number of people from posting.

You censor me by saying I can only make certain types of posts>

No, it's discrimination. It's like I won't let you come into my restaurant, but the people that are allowed in can say anything they want.

Think of being a troll as being naked. You can't come into my restaurant if you are naked. That's discriminating against people who are naked in public. But the people with clothes on can come in, sit down, and discuss anything they want.

You have to understand that it's not just my discrimination at play here but <ceegee's>.

<6. No trolling.>

Those are the rules.

Libs in the <Free Speech Zone> enjoy themselves in there.

Jan-14-21
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  saffuna: Censorship/Discrimination.

Tomato/Tomahto.

<Libs in the <Free Speech Zone> enjoy themselves in there.>

The ones who don't really challenge all your rightwing posts. And don't remind you how the Alpha Male you exalted nonstop was defeated in November.

Jan-15-21
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  gezafan: <<saffuna:> the Alpha Male you exalted nonstop was defeated in November>>

Wow. Thanks for letting us know that. (sarcasm)

Jan-15-21  Ybr: <big pawn><Finally, I told you a long time ago. I said, "<Tuna>, if you promise to post seriously, substantively and with insight, and contribute valuable posts that find themselves at the top of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement, and you turn over a new leaf and stop trolling, then I will let you into the Free Speech Zone".

But you did not take me up on that, so you remain with your nose pressed up against the glass on the outside, fogging up my windows.>

Substantive, serious, insightful ?

Yeah , right !

<Big pawn> , you don't even understand philosophy of Absolute let alone undersranding refutation of <omv argument> based on philosophy of Absolute and instead of learning and accepting that <omv argument> is shallow and wrong , you banned me from your forum. You don't want your beliefs to be challenged ,you believe what you want to believe (as opposed to going where logic and proof/evidence takes you) and close your eyes and ears to all the refutations and same is the state of all those people of your gang whom you call elite posters - none of them understands Absolute and instead of acknowledging that <omv argument> is very shallow and thoroughly refuted , they run away and hide and still keep on bragging <we are extraordinarily intelligent , we post substantively, seriously, insightfully>

Regards

Jan-15-21
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  moronovich: It is clear as broad daylight that something has gone completely wrong in <BP´s> life.

Just put him on ignore and I promise you:
It´s a deligth,not reading all his ramblings.

Jan-15-21  Keyser Soze: <I will be here, enjoying free speech, writing offensive (to you) posts and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

NEXT!>

Zamzibar still whining to ban you?Poor guy . He craves for some CGs power/influence, but doesnt have <any> , despite his effort and his slave job here . LOL!!

lols!!

<moronovic: Just put him on ignore and I promise you: It´s a deligth,not reading all his ramblings.>

Too bad libs don't want that. They want him banned. Like on twitter. Not going to happen.

<6. No trolling.>

Those are the rules.

Libs in the <Free Speech Zone> enjoy themselves in there.>

Good stuff. jim bartle is a troll . He should not be allowed there.

Hey Susan, when you gonna <close> the Rogoff? I think is time. Let we members discuss politics on private forums. That's my take.

Cheers.

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