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  Tabanus: <That's a pretty good step in the right direction I think. Good idea to start with.> When George and I agree it must be right :)

One of the first crosstables I made here was wrong and Daniel commented on it. As <Jess> says, "it took me many years to arrive at where I am now", lol, so perhaps a short and Q&D

<Tab's Tutorial>

Type. Should be "Tournament type" perhaps, what's the English term? Sometimes two types, e. g. round-robin + knockout.

Where. The name of the town/city and country, spelled out. Not all know where Wijk aan Zee is. Why not also include hotel or arena.

Site tag. Should be same as in all the games.

When. This is the "bracket dates" as they call it, + year. We agreed in the Bistro long time ago and it's been followed ever since: <from the start of the first round until the start of the last round>. This is also practical, as one can see the date of round 1 and the date of the last round.

Rest days: the year can be skipped here.

Time control: If not found in official site, try Chess-Results, FIDE, chess24 or others.

Number of players. Should be the number actually playing (if only one round). For Swisses this is most easily found in Chess-Results.

Number of rounds. Often easy. Bad example: 15 rounds rapid and 3 rounds knockout.

Official site, Chess-Results,, ChessBase, chess24 & TWIC. I use to find these by googling. & ChessBase links should be updated after the event is over. The others should work also after (perhaps not always - I'm not 100% sure). The official site link address will often be used for next year's event, keep the eyes open or find the link in the Wayback Machine ;)

FIDE's report after the event is often only this kind: This one can be hard to find, I use to find this link in an old event, then click on "The full list of tournaments received from xxxxx for xxx 20xx", then search for the country (on top), then seach the time (e. g. February 2022, at bottom). FIDE's report will often have the organizer and chief arbiter, and the correct game results. These are in Chess-Results too, but the two may differ a little on organizer/director.

<When I go to a tournament page and the tournament is finished, the main thing I want to see is who won.> Absolutely. If CG's final standing table is not updated and thus is not trustworthy, it should at least be stated who won. And IMO also no. 2 & 3.

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  Tabanus: Nothing of this is rocket science but it takes a good while before you can do it fast. Especially the crosstable. I could spend a whole day on Tata Steel before, now perhaps 1-2 hours. In addition comes the daily addition of games, I have no experience with that, except <do not update standings before all games are in>.
Jan-16-22  Rdb: I apologised to <ohiochessfan> in his forum and he accepted my apology and offered me his wishes.

That is very gracious of <ocf> and I appreciate that a lot.

I invite others also to have civil and mutual respectful interactions with each other in rogoff forum even if we have difference of opinions.

I intend to act maturely from now onwards and I wish we all act maturely in rogoff forum.

2) <keypusher> <<rdb> always meant well , but he struggled with Self control>

Well , I intend to change that in this new year. Thank you <kp>

Thank you , guys


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  saffuna: <Jan-16-22 Morozevich vs Carlsen, 2013 Messiah: Oopsie! :-)

Jan-16-22 Karjakin vs Carlsen, 2013
Messiah: Ouch! :-)

Jan-16-22 Carlsen vs Radjabov, 2013
Messiah: Whoops! :-)>

Carlsen must have won a big game today...

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  Messiah: The new deluge of 500 internal server errors is terrible.
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  Caisso: yeah the "you shall not upload games while some might not have finished yet" (or a late entry like today) was a lesson i learned a few times
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  Susan Freeman: Thou shalt not. Better verbiage
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  Tabanus: <Caisso> & Co.> On 82nd Armenian Championship (2022) page it says <Number of games: 121>, should be 66. For the single round robins, here are the number of games:

8 players: 7 x 4 = 28 games
10 players: 9 x 5 = 45 games
12 players: 11 x 6 = 66 games
14 players: 13 x 7 = 91 games
16 players: 15 x 8 = 120 games

Times two, if double round robin. <Minus> forfeits/unplayed games (if any), and <plus> number of tiebreak games (if any). Which you don't know until it's over.

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  Tabanus: Another thing: the same event has on the CG front page <The top 3 qualify for the main Championship ...> This is not true. This <is> the Armenian championship. It applied to the Armenian championship 1st league event held in August 2021. So delete!
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  Diademas: No live games from Tata?
Would be nice...
Jan-17-22  Z4all: < Diademas: No live games from Tata? Would be nice...>

Yes it would.

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  Caisso: Thanks for the information. I was traveling today. Had very little time to do anything. I will correct the errors now.
Jan-18-22  Rdb: <diademas> <well, rogoff forum brings worst out of all of us >

Me : au contraire ! Not if you are ardent/earnest practitioner of real teachings of Jesus and are at an advanced level like me . ('real' is the key word here). In my case , rogoff forum brings the best out of me.

2) it is sufficient to be practitioner of real teachings of Jesus for rogoff to bring the best out of you but not necessary

For example , <al wazir> , <keypusher> , <johnlspouge> are atheist/agnostic , however , they almost never engage in 'shout show' , 'monkey throwing faeces' show in rogoff forum , and their posts have very high level of clarity/depth of thinking/understanding and I learn from their posts all the time - the reason why I visit rogoff forum.


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  kingscrusher: Hi Guys

I really think "A00" is causing a lot of search damage to the database and underrepresenting certain key exponent players.

In the main search form as example, it is funny that Nimzo-Larsen attack is at the bottom in "other" but

NOT as example
1) Benko's opening 1.g3
2) Grob 1.g4

It seems to be the fault of the generic A00

Now I know Bent Larsen is amazing, and he won many tournaments making use of 1.b3 but also he made use of Benko's opening 1.g3 as well. It is great that in the main database form at the bottom one can easily find games of "Nimzo-Larsen attack" but not say "Grob" or "Benko's opening".

Here is an example tournament and notice how generic this looks:

Palma de Mallorca (1969)/Bent Larsen

Larsen vs Mecking "A00 Uncommon opening"

Actually it is 1.g3 - Benko's opening

Pal Benko is an important person in US chess History - without him Bobby Fischer would not have been given a qualifier place.

I am not US but I am just pointing out here the inherent disrespect of disregarding also not just Benko but Michael Basman for the grob and other people all in the generic "A00" classifier which makes game opening identification vague, and is under-representing some variations on even the main database search form.

In fact 1.g3 is more common than 1.b3 according to the main database.

Anyway I thought I should mention these issues in passing.

Cheers, Tryfon

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  Diademas: Heck.
I'm just gonna pestering this page until something happens.

How about having live games from Tata?

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  moronovich: Yes,could we have some live game ?
Jan-18-22  Z truth 000000001:
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  WinKing: <Diademas: Heck.
I'm just gonna pestering this page until something happens.>

Why not? You paid your dues & are entitled too.

Come to think of it it would be nice to see a game or two from Tata Steel. How about it <chessgames>? We need more camaraderie around here.

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  Caisso: We are bringing live games either tomorrow or the day after. I am as eager as anyone.
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  Caisso: Steven is working on some issues but he assured me he will have it done by then
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  Dionysius1: Sorry if this is the wrong place (where should I ask it?).

The Opening of the Day feature - does it include a discussion page where for that day at least we talk about the opening?


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  Tabanus: Click on a link under OPENING DESIGNATIONS: then click on the link at upper left.
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  Diademas: < Caisso: We are bringing live games either tomorrow or the day after. I am as eager as anyone.>

Nag and you shall receive.

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  Dionysius1: <Tabanus> Thanks! This is great. just gets better and better. ✔👍
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  Tabanus: Voted-in collections are no longer removed from the Game Collection Voting booth.
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