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Phony Benoni
Member since Feb-10-06 · Last seen May-27-22
Greetings, O Seeker After Knowledge! You have arrived in Dearborn, Michigan (whether you like it or not), and are reading words of wisdom from a player rated 2938--plus or minus 1000 points.

However, I've retired from serious play--not that I ever took playing chess all that seriously. You only have to look at my games to see that. These days I pursue the simple pleasures of finding games that are bizarre or just plain funny. I'd rather enjoy a game than analyze it.

For the record, my name is David Moody. This probably means nothing to you unless you're a longtime player from Michigan, though it's possible that if you attended any US Opens from 1975-1999 we might have crossed paths. Lucky you.

If you know me at all, you'll realize that most of my remarks are meant to be humorous. I do this deliberately, so that if my analysis stinks to High Heaven I can always say that I was just joking.

As you can undoubtedly tell from my sparkling wit, I'm a librarian in my spare time. Even worse, I'm a cataloger, which means I keep log books for cattle. Also, I'm not one of those extroverts who sit at the Reference Desk and help you with research. Instead, I spend all day staring at a computer screen updating and maintaining information in the library's catalog. The general public thinks Reference Librarians are dull. Reference Librarians think Catalogers are dull.

My greatest achievement in chess, other than tricking you into reading this, was probably mating with king, bishop and knight against king in a tournament game. I have to admit that this happened after an adjournment, and that I booked up like crazy before resuming. By the way, the fact I have had adjourned games shows you I've been around too long.

My funniest moment occurred when I finally got a chance to pull off a smothered mate in actual play. You know, 1.Nf7+ Kg8 2.Nh6+ Kh8 3.Qg8+ Rxg8 4.Nf7#. When I played the climactic queen check my opponent looked at the board in shocked disbelief and said, "But that's not mate! I can take the queen!"

Finally, I must confess that I once played a positional move, back around 1982. I'll try not to let that happen again.

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   Phony Benoni has kibitzed 18634 times to chessgames   [more...]
   May-26-22 Euwe vs Smyslov, 1948
Phony Benoni: This was Smyslov's last game in the tournament, and clinched second place for him. I get the feeling he was already celebrating a bit. In particular, his knights and rooks have gotten into the vodka, and are thoroughly enjoying themselves.
   May-26-22 Gipslis vs Averbakh, 1958
Phony Benoni: After <25.Rxc2>: [DIAGRAM] That was one frustrated rook on c2. Like many who are depressed by clutter he staged a garage sale, and by the time we reach <30.Rxa5> [DIAGRAM] He iwas felling much better, and was able to contribute his full share toward the eventual ...
   May-24-22 Phony Benoni chessforum
Phony Benoni: <MissScarlett> The source I quoted on the game page, Reinfeld's "Practical End-game Play" (published in 1940), pp. 36-38, gives <36...Bc3!> with the note, "Every move tells." I see that Lahde's biography of Kashdan (game 156, p, 119) has <36...Nc3>, citing ...
   May-24-22 Smyslov vs Euwe, 1948 (replies)
Phony Benoni: An odd finish. Black castles, White plays h3 -- and Black resigns!
   May-22-22 Showalter vs W Pollock, 1891
Phony Benoni: I have just submitted the full score of this game, taken from "W.H.K. Pollock: a chess biography" by Urcan & Hilbert, p. 372. It's quite a trip. These guys didn't know when they were beaten, and didn't care when they were. They just kept on fighting. The confusion over the ...
   May-21-22 N Bakos
Phony Benoni: The player in the 1949 game is probably <Nicholas Bakos>, who played in the 1947/48 Marshall CC Championship (New York Times, January 4, 1948). But I am not sure if the payer at Budapest, 1952 represents the same person.
   May-21-22 J A Quesada
Phony Benoni: "American Chess Bulletin" (January / Febrarury 1948, p. 10), in a report on a telegraph match between New York and Havana, lists Larry Evans' opponent as <Juan A Quesada>. Same guy?
   May-20-22 Horatio Caro (replies)
Phony Benoni: <Retireborn> Sorry; I should have specified H Caro vs Lasker, 1890
   May-20-22 Reshevsky vs Kashdan, 1942 (replies)
Phony Benoni: It occursto me that Reshevsky just didn't look for mated-in-two against Kashdan. (Let's see how many of you get that joke!)
   May-16-22 chessforum (replies)
Phony Benoni: <Susan Freeman> Never mind; it was my mistake. There waa no problem.
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Apr-14-22  Deus Ex Alekhina: Hey David, I seem to remember someone writing about a female spectator who fainted at chess tournaments in the 1920's, falling on the players. Can you direct me to any information here or on the internet about that? Thanks.
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  Phony Benoni: <DEA> You're probably remembering this post:

Nimzowitsch vs H Weenink, 1930 (kibitz #2)

You made a coent later on the page.

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  Penguincw: Hi <Phony Benoni>. Hope you're doing well.

In lieu of an event that happened today, flashback:

(Phony Benoni chessforum (kibitz #22168))

Well <PB>, he did it! He dealt with some injuries, but he did a lot of DHing, and he joins the 3K club.

Quite happy myself that I made a prediction from 2017, and it finally came true.

(congrats to <Saffuna> too for calling it)

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  Phony Benoni: <Penguincw> Yes, I had my doubts about Cabrera, and maybe I should stop maing predictions about him!

Heard an interesting tidbit: Cabrera is the fourth player to get his 300th hit against the Rockies, the others being Rickey Henderson, craig Biggio, and Ichiro Suzuki.

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  MissScarlett: R Scrivener vs J Winter, 1926, a new game from Game Collection: US Open 1926, Chicago = 27th Western Champ.

The score is a bit spotty in places, so you might want to check it.

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  Phony Benoni: <MissScarlett> Thanks. I see the score problems, but it looks like you've resolved those. The one thing I would point out is that the Source date should be 1926.09.19, not 1926.09.16.
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  MissScarlett: Fixed.
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  Stonehenge: I tried to process your <cancelled game> but something went wrong. Could you resubmit it, then I can have a look at what is wrong with it. Or maybe you can figure it out.
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  Phony Benoni: <Stonehenge> I actually wound up submitting 7 "Cancelled games", but I assume you meant the first one, <Isaacs - Drexel>, which was sent several hours before the others.

I've resubmitted it, leaving out one step I used earlier. If it works now I'll probably have to resubmit the others as well, since I used the same step on them.

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  Stonehenge: The problem seems to be castling, maybe you copied the games from an online book or something?

I'll enter the <CG standard castling symbols> or whatever it's called


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Kashdan - Isaacs was already in the db.

If there are others you'll have to resubmit them.

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<> castling characters need to be the capitol letter O.

So <O-O> will never cause a game to be rejected.

<o-o> don't use lower case letter o.

<0-0> don't use number 0.

May-15-22  Z free or die: <<> castling characters need to be the capitol letter O.>

As does the PGN standard...

Curious, the wiki page claims 0-0 and 0-0-0 (with number 0) is used for algebraic and descriptive notations.

I like to denote the number 0 with a stroke to distinguish it from the letter O, likewise some fonts add a dot in the middle of the number zero to do the same. But to tell the truth, most chess books use fonts where it's hard to tell the difference (maybe just by the width).

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Just curious - what's a "canceled game"?

I suppose I might find it in a previous post on this forum, but it would be nice for the PGN to have some indication.


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To add a bit more about copy/pasting pgns.

If you copy paste pgns from:


there will be no issues with castling syntax.

I don't personally have any knowledge of other databases and castling syntax.

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Isn't a "canceled game" a game which was played, but later disallowed from official scoring in a tournament?

For example if a player withdraws, but had played several games before withdrawing, the aribiter may cancel those game results.

The record of the game having been played can be preserved, but should then have "canceled" listed in the header to make it clear the result did not count in the final scoring of the event?

I am guessing here as I do not know the exact answer.

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One more thing about pgn errors-

I can only report about <Shredder Classic III> since it is the only chess engine I ever use.

If I copy paste a pgn into this engine, if there is a problem with syntax, one of two things will happen.

1. The incorrect syntax items will show up in the engine move list as "brown colored" and you will not be able to play through the moves on the engine.

2. The engine will sometimes auto-correct syntax errors in the move list.

Whether I am adding in moves manually, or copy-pasting from a database, I always put every pgn into my chess engine, so I never have problems getting a game published because of syntax errors in the move list.

I should emphasize that I am only talking about the actual game move-list, and not the information in the headers.

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  Phony Benoni: <Stonehenge> <jessicafischerqueen> Something's happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

As you both know, I've submitted a few games to <CG> in my time. In fact, it's more like a few thousand games. This problem with "0-0" vs. "O-O" has not come up before.

Here is my usual process. I download or hand enter game scores into my home copy of ChessBase, and check them against what sources I may happen to have. After this, I copy the game score into a NotePad file which contains a schematic of the PGN form, fill in the informnation, and copy from that itno the submission page on <CG>.

(Yes, I do every game individually. I don't feel comfortable submitting huge bunches of unchecked scores. Accuracy is very important to me.)

This process represents castling as "0-0" (numbers) rather than "O-O" (capital letters). I've been doing this for around fifteen years, and I don't recall any problems with the castling move (unless you guys have been Extra Nice and keep correcting my scores without telling me!).

There are still two games left. I'm going to resubmit them using my usual method. If they are rejected, then I'll have to make some changes to get the repsreentation right. But unless this is something instituted in the last few days, I can't believe it's the problem.

Thanks for your interest and suggestions.

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  Phony Benoni: <Z free or die> <jessicafischerqueen> has the general idea of cancelled games right. I've explained the specific situation here:

Game Collection: US Championship (1946). Games of Lewis J. Isaacs

We already had one of these games in the database, using the Event header <USA-ch+>. I could understand what the "+" was supposed to mean, but it seemed unclear and ambiguous. I've seen parenthetical qualifiers like "Play-off" in the Event field, so (Cancelled game) seemed fine to me.

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<Phony Benoni>

I could not possibly agree more with you about using <Cancelled game> as opposed to <+>.

Like you, over the years I have uploaded a ridiculous quantity of games, but it was fairly recently that I finally figured out what <+> meant.


Just one more bit of information on <castling syntax> that I remembered since my last post.

It was <Annie K> who figured out what was wrong with one of my uploads- I had used the numeral syntax <0-0>.

I had been using that syntax before, but not encountered this problem, which was- and remains- puzzling to me.

Still, <Annie> insisted that the best practice for me was to use the capital letter <O-O> syntax for all future uploads, and that is what I began to do. Two years later now and I have not had a single upload rejected due to the <O-O> syntax.

As usual with mysteries, there always seems to be another layer eh? I think much of this is down to <Daniel> having written all the code and fashioned it in a way that if it did not work- he could fix it, I presume by adding more code? At any rate, the new webmaster and techs have made a heroic effort to sort out Byzantine coding problems over the last few years.

Hopefully the problems that still exist, as in your case of the cancelled games, will eventually be solved in an unambiguous fashion. It was good, and important, that you posted your current castling syntax problem in public eh. Then we had a chance to compare information on how to avoid the problem in the future.

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<Phony Benoni>

As I just reported, I also always used the numerical <0-0> syntax on uploads, and I did not get a rejection until two years ago when <Annie> figured it out.

So I took her advice, switching to <O-O> syntax and there have been no further problems.

It strikes me that your plan to upload more <0-0> syntax castles has a flaw- it's possible that it does not trigger a rejection, but this gives you no useful information if the rejections are intermittent, as they seem to be. In other words, it is not an effective experimental design.

Much simpler, and preferable, would be using the <O-O> castling syntax in each and every case, since there is no evidence that it has ever caused a rejection.

Anyways that's pretty much what <Annie> said to me when this came up in my uploading.

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  Stonehenge: No problems with this one:

L Isaacs vs A J Fink, 1946.

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  Phony Benoni: <Stonehenge> And I see that O Ulvestad vs L Isaacs, 1946 has come through as well. That completes this batch. Thanks.
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  MissScarlett: Rellstab vs Kashdan, 1930

Did Black play 36...Nc3 or ...Bc3?

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  Stonehenge: (p. 268) gives 36...Bc3.
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  Phony Benoni: <MissScarlett> The source I quoted on the game page, Reinfeld's "Practical End-game Play" (published in 1940), pp. 36-38, gives <36...Bc3!> with the note, "Every move tells."

I see that Lahde's biography of Kashdan (game 156, p, 119) has <36...Nc3>, citing "L'Echiquier", 1930, p. 1071. I don't have the original of that publication to check.

However, "Weiner Schach-zeitung", November 1930, p. 327, gives <36...Lb2-c3!>.

It looks to me like <36...Bc3> was the original move, and 36...Nc3 a later error. Pending further test results and FDA approval, of course.

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