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TheAlchemist
Member since Feb-23-05
Hello! My name is Uros and welcome to my forum. If you have time, you can also visit (and contribute to) User: Memorable Quotes.

A Ebralidze vs Ragozin, 1937 (kibitz #3)

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   TheAlchemist has kibitzed 6863 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-25-21 TheAlchemist chessforum (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: <Check It Out> Actually you already corrected it yourself, so I left your second post intact, which keeps the reply and uses the original post correctly, which is a good compromise in my opinion. I copy stuff here so people don't bust my balls about censorship. And maybe ...
 
   Aug-28-20 Tony Palmer (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Terrible news, this is really tragic. Tony was one of the first kibitzers to welcome me to the site all those years ago, he was very helpful, he would pop out of nowhere with some obscure finds from the site, he was witty too, who could forget his annotations set to song ...
 
   Apr-29-20 A Nokso-Koivisto vs M Lanzani, 1989 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: <faulty> It comes from the Super Mario games, where levels would end with said phrase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4u... I think one way it can be interpreted is that Black wasted his time on one side of the board, while decisive things happened on the other one. ...
 
   Apr-01-20 M Defosse vs Frank, 1977 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Similar are V Litvinov vs Veresov, 1958 , Bellon-Pfleger, Plachetka vs L Zinn, 1974
 
   Nov-22-19 Westerinen vs Y Miyasaki, 1972 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: From Hayao Miyazaki's movie Kiki's Delivery Service, I think.
 
   Oct-16-19 J Flesch vs N Spiridonov, 1964 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: 👍 👍
 
   Jul-22-19 O Sundstrom vs David Holm, 1912 (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Ok, so this is probably because I've seen the meme one too many times, but I immediately though of "The rude Sundstrom".
 
   Jun-06-19 WannaBe chessforum (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: I read about it yesterday too, ridiculous. Still, I think it's pretty safe to say many people will buy it regardless, just because it's Apple.
 
   May-15-19 Van Wely vs Morozevich, 2004
 
TheAlchemist: Genius pun!
 
   Jan-18-19 Gerry McCarthy (replies)
 
TheAlchemist: Very sad news, rest in peace, Dom.
 
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Oct-17-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: <rogge> Thanks and don't worry about it, I don't remember you ever being a "troublemaker" :-), but I understand the pull of the dark side can be strong :-).
Oct-17-18  rogge: Ha ha, thanks :)
Oct-17-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Agree with your decision.
Oct-18-18  zanzibar: Oh, you're the moderator?!

Thanks for cleaning/clearing all that up.

Oct-18-18  zanzibar: (Although I'm still a bit squeamish about the Kieseritzky quote. Can't we get another quote added sometime soon?)
Oct-19-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #31266)

<RE: <Memorable Quotes>

<rogge: Why ask when you know the answer?>

But my dear <rogge>, I don't, at least not with 100% certainty.

I suspect it's <The Alchemist>, but that should be confirmed by <admin>.

In addition, there's several other questions that come to mind...

1) How long has it been moderated in such fashion.

2) Shouldn't there be notice about removed posts.

(E.g. <oppie> knew somehow, but I only noticed by accident)

3) Will there be an appeal process?

E.g. I really think my quote about <Diceman> qualifies rather nicely for <MQ>-land. I'd like to see the rationale for why it doesn't.>

I have always been upfront about MQ being my alternate account and thus me being the manager, it's always been advertised in my profile.

1. Until 2014 I didn't do any moderating because it wasn't needed, i.e. people knew what the forum was intended for (it was conceived as a repository/collection not a discussion forum). I've never explicitly laid down the rules in great detail besides the header in MQ's profile and just assumed it was understood, so that may have been unfair to newer users or those that frequent CG more sporadically. As I've said it was smooth sailing for almost 10 years, so maybe I got a bit complacent :-).

2. I have no obligation to do so, but I will try to copy them here. I have done so a few times already, but have forgotten on other occasions, so I may still be inconsistent on this. It's not a value judgment, though, I have always been deleting off-topic posts because I didn't want it getting flooded by conversations etc., but I've had some rather unpleasant incidents since, so I became a bit more vigilant.

(if you're up for some reading, though fair warning, one user's posts were purged by CG: first thread starts about here: TheAlchemist chessforum (kibitz #3051), second one: TheAlchemist chessforum (kibitz #3317))

3. You can always contact me here if you wish, I'm happy to hear out your concerns. I do acknowledge I can go a bit too far sometimes (e.g. I delete the whole "thread" including the opening post) and things can get caught in the crossfire. I apologize for that, again it's not meant as a value judgment or picking on anyone in particular. And it's certainly not meant as censorship, just keeping things on topic.

Oct-19-18  sceptic: <And it's certainly not meant as censorship, just keeping things on topic.>

No need for you to censor Memorable Quotes. If an Unperson, like <Tiggler> for instance, should ever be mentioned here, then <Sargon> stuffs it down the memory hole faster than you can say "I LOVE BIG BROTHER".

Oct-19-18  zanzibar: <The Alchemist> I just posted over on <chessgames.com>, explaining my confusion.

I better understand now the situation, thanks mostly to your kind explanation.

The fact that the <CG MQ> forum is actually your doing is one of the many wonderful quirks of <CG>! Thanks for sponsoring one of more fun <CG> features.

The fact that I wasn't aware of your moderation is actually a testament to how well a job you've been doing, imo. This feature certainly deserves a mention in my brief history of <CG> series.

I want to keep this post largely positive for the moment, and will stop here. Tomorrow, maybe, I'll come back to mention a (small?) concern I have given this recent episode. No big worries though.

Again, thanks, both for the <MQ> forum, and your helpful explanation given above.

Jun-21-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  Memorable Quotes: As promised long ago, here are the deleted posts from MQ. Now, kindly take it somewhere else.

<Stonehenge>: <OhioChessFan: I know on Rogoff the Leftists don't like me pointing it out, but they are in fact the intellectual descendants of the Nazi Enablers. How don't they see it?>

Pretty rich, coming from a christofascist.

<moronovich>: No wonder CG is bleeding. You can not build a communite on hate.

<diceman>: <moronovich: No wonder CG is bleeding. You can not build a communite on hate.>

Only a Democrat party.

<Count Wedgemore>: <moronovich: No wonder CG is bleeding. You can not build a communite on hate.>

True. And <Stonehenge>'s post illustrates your point quite clearly. Sad to see there are kibitzers like that, who even uses the Memorable Quotes forum, a forum made for good-natured fun, to post hate-filled comments, name-calling a fellow kibitzer.

<moronovich>: <they are in fact the intellectual descendants of the Nazi Enablers. How don't they see it?>>

Well <Count> if you can not see it, you can not see it.

Oct-31-19  Thief: Why aren't you more active?
Nov-01-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: I should call User: Whiterun Guard on you. But to answer your question, laziness, loss of interest, maybe I just don't care enough anymore, I don't know. I do still lurk about daily, more out of habit than anything, I suppose, but not much else.
Nov-02-19  virginmind: Hi! You mean you've lost interest in chess, or in chessgames.com?
Nov-18-19  Thief: <TheAlchemist> I'm still in the same spot I was on November 1st. Whiterun Guard didn't come. My bounty is too low for him to bother.
Jun-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Memorable Quotes: Just for future reference, this is what sparked today's deletions:

Apr-11-20 optimal play: <Apr-11-20 Big Pawn: I'm not buying the death toll numbers. I think there's a very good chance they are inflated.

"Sky Diver Jumps from Plane and Forgets Parachute - Dies from Corona Virus">

Kenneth S Rogoff (kibitz #424238)

Apr-11-20 Diademas: @ <optimal play>

Not sure making fun of the ramblings of an obviously mentally challenged person is what this page was ment for.

Jun-17-20 Big Pawn: Seems this page could use some moderation again.

Jun-17-20 saffuna: <Seems this page could use some moderation again.>

That's right. Someone made fun of <big pawn> again, and we can't have that.

Jun-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Memorable Quotes: Again, I would urge everyone to keep your personal gripes off of MQ. Thanks.
Jun-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Memorable Quotes: Also, this is in no way me taking any sides in this debate, I left it as is so everyone can make up their own mind.
Jun-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  saffuna: Fine with me.
Jun-18-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: Thank you for removing that content.
Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: Again for posterity:

Feb-12-21
<saffuna>: <Colonel mortimer> on the Rogoff page:

<Even in defeat Trump is humiliating you. Biden's victory was the ultimate expression of Trump Derangement Syndrome.>

Feb-15-21
<George Wallace>: There's nothing <memorable> about these quotes from your Rogoff Page arguments. Why bring them here? You've already been accused of spilling the Rogoff stuff over on to the support page, the kibitzer's cafe, and now this page too?

Feb-15-21
<Keyser Soze>: <george> They are soo butthurt there that they can't help to come here and vent their frustrations. Duly noted.

Heh heh

Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: Ugh, just noticed all this too... I suppose I have been neglecting it again...

So, again, copied for anyone interested:

Dec-15-20
<Check It Out>: <nok:

<cormier: Today I am calling you to a complete surrender to God. Everything you do and everything you possess give over to God so that He can take control in your life as the King of all that you possess.>

Um... no thank you.>

I guess that's asking for a bit too much.

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #454368)

Dec-15-20
<jessicafischerqueen>:

<Check It Out> Please take care not to replicate and pass on misattributions.

In this post Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #454368) <nok> misattributes <cormier> by stripping his post of the quotation marks.

Here is the original post by cormier with quotation marks intact: Kenneth Rogoff

It makes a huge difference, especially in a case like this. <cormier> is citing someone else- probably the Mudgagore or someone like that. It's not <cormier> presenting this as *his* dictum, or imperative.

It's also not "like cormier" to speak in that fashion, which is why my eyebrows shot up the second I saw "his" quote here in the humorous archive forum.

==

I realize <nok> made the error, but you have now passed his error on to a place where the error will be displayed and enshrined for a long time to come.

<Forum Host>: Please delete this misattribution to <cormier>.

Dec-15-20
<Check It Out>: <cormier>:

<<<December 15, 2020>

“Today I am calling you to a complete surrender to God.> Everything you do and everything you possess give over to God so that He can take control in your life as the King of all that you possess.”>

<nok: Um... no thank you.>

I guess that's asking for a bit too much.

Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #454368)

Dec-15-20
<Check It Out>: <jfq>

There's <cormier>'s full post.

Dec-16-20
<jessicafischerqueen>:

<Check It Out> That's nok's post there, not cormier's post.

<nok's> post misattribute's cormier's original post. This is cormier's original post, which includes the quotation marks- making it clear this was not something <cormier> himself was saying: Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #454360)

<nok> stripped out the quotation marks from cormier's original post.

<nok's> repost: Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #454368)

Cormier always puts quotations around quoted material- he often gets stuff from <Madjagore> or other Catholic websites.

When you archived <nok's> post here, you incidentally archived the misattribution. I doubt you noticed this at the time.

I wouldn't have made a fuss about this apart from the tendency of some, particularly those who may enjoy mocking Christians/Christianity, to mock <cormier>, who is a devout <Catholic>. I'm not certain that was <nok's> intent, but I felt obligated at the least to point out the misattribution. I am sure it wasn't your intent.

I appreciate your regular archiving of material here believe me.

If I had another chance I would try to make my original post and sound less like a Karen or someone who was gratuitously crawling up your ass.

*pardon my French

Dec-16-20
<jessicafischerqueen>:

*Wallaby's Balls Sheep Station*

Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: Dec-16-20
<Check It Out>: <cormier:

“Today I am calling you to a complete surrender to God. Everything you do and everything you possess give over to God so that He can take control in your life as the King of all that you possess.”

<nok: Um... no thank you.>>

I guess that's asking for a bit too much for a communist.

There, a wee bit of a jab at Christians and communists alike, equal opportunity comedy. And no link to follow up to get the wrong idea about quotation marks and such. No mean-spiritedness intended, just a few laughs for this supposedly humorous forum.

Dec-16-20
<jessicafischerqueen>:

<Check It Out>

Thanks for sorting that out brah!

Misappropriation is a serious problem in history work. I run in to it all the time, so I am forever on the lookout for it.

On <nok>- I have no idea what his intentions were, nor do I care.

Stripping <cormier's> post of the quotation marks was an intentional act.

If <nok> had copy/pasted it, the quotations would have remained intact.

If <nok> had re-typed it, he chose to erase the quotations for some reason. I'm pretty sure I can guess the reason, but I'll leave it at that.

That aspect of the episode is also part of this now accurate historical record.

Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: Hmm, so I am for keeping the original post as it is, though I suppose I could re-edit it with the quotation marks? I don't know if it was mean-spirited or not, it seems to be blown out of proportion, but what do I know... It will be archived here regardless. I will think on it. And sorry for being this late again. I could promise I will try to do better, but I know I won't, so I... won't :-)
Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: I thought it was funny at the start but things got out of control. A regrettable chain. Not sure why we would want to save it in a second spot.
Feb-25-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: <Check It Out> Actually you already corrected it yourself, so I left your second post intact, which keeps the reply and uses the original post correctly, which is a good compromise in my opinion.

I copy stuff here so people don't bust my balls about censorship. And maybe having records of all the arguments helps people understand why I don't want this crap over there. In most cases it should be self-explanatory.

And thanks for your contributions, don't let this discourage you. I know it won't, but I had to say it :-).

Feb-26-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: <TheAlchemist> Thanks for your efforts. Memorable Quotes is a fun aspect of this site.
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