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Hikaru Nakamura
Nakamura 
 

Number of games in database: 3,915
Years covered: 1995 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2804 (2734 rapid, 2837 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +593 -246 =724 (61.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2352 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (272) 
    B90 B30 B23 B51 B42
 Ruy Lopez (172) 
    C65 C67 C77 C78 C84
 Reti System (148) 
    A06 A04 A05
 Queen's Gambit Declined (119) 
    D37 D31 D38 D30 D35
 Queen's Pawn Game (115) 
    A45 D00 E10 D02 A46
 Nimzo Indian (77) 
    E32 E46 E34 E21 E20
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (251) 
    B90 B30 B80 B22 B92
 Ruy Lopez (247) 
    C67 C65 C70 C78 C72
 Queen's Gambit Declined (156) 
    D37 D31 D30 D39 D06
 Queen's Pawn Game (123) 
    D02 A40 A45 A41 A46
 King's Indian (114) 
    E97 E92 E90 E63 E94
 Giuoco Piano (107) 
    C53 C50 C54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Krasenkow vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 0-1
   Rybka vs Nakamura, 2008 0-1
   So vs Nakamura, 2015 0-1
   G Sagalchik vs Nakamura, 2003 0-1
   Crafty vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Nakamura vs Karjakin, 2004 1-0
   Nakamura vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   Nakamura vs J W Loyte, 2001 1-0
   A Beliavsky vs Nakamura, 2009 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Trophee CCAS (2008)
   Corsica Masters (2007)
   Meltwater Tour Final (2021)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Bullet Chess Championship (2023)
   Ordix Open (2009)
   Chess.com Speed Chess Championship 2017/18 (2017)
   Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020)
   New In Chess Classic (2021)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Tata Steel India (2022)
   chess.com Speed Chess (2020)
   Chess.com SpeedChess Finals (2024)
   Pro Chess League (2018)
   PRO League Group Stage (2019)

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   Naka's Nook Mistook Fredthebear stan theo by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 212 by 0ZeR0
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   Notable Nakamura Games by caracas1970
   book: Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by Baby Hawk
   Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by kenilworthian
   Vid e o put Fredthebear in th is cent ury by fredthebear
   Notable Nakamura Games by iron maiden
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
   Hikaru! by larrewl
   Match Nakamura! by docjan
   Match Nakamura! by amadeus

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Norway Chess
   Nakamura vs D Gukesh (Jun-03-25) 1-0
   Carlsen vs Nakamura (Jun-02-25) 1-0, armageddon
   Carlsen vs Nakamura (Jun-02-25) 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2, armageddon

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HIKARU NAKAMURA
(born Dec-09-1987, 37 years old) Japan (federation/nationality United States of America)

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IM (2001); GM (2003). Hikaru Nakamura won the US Championship in 2004, 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2019. He was the world's second-ranked player as of October 2015. In July 2023, he married WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan.

Prodigy

Christopher Hikaru Nakamura was born December 9, 1987 in Hirakata in Osaka, Japan, to a Japanese father and an American mother. He is the younger brother of Asuka Nakamura. When he was two years old, he and his mother and brother moved to the United States. He started playing chess when he was seven, coached by his stepfather, Sunil Weeramantry. He was the youngest player in US history to defeat an International Master (Jay Bonin) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 0 months), to become a National Master (USCF) (10 years, 79 days), to defeat a Grandmaster (Arthur Bisguier) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 117 days), and to become an IM (13 years, 2 months), although most of these records have subsequently been surpassed. In 2003 he became the USA's youngest-ever grandmaster (15 years, 2 months and 19 days), a record later broken by Fabiano Caruana and Ray Robson.

Championships

<Youth> In 2001 he won the World U14 championship.

<National> When he won the Chessmaster US Championship 2005 (2004) (on tiebreak from Alexander Stripunsky), he was the youngest player to win the US championship since Robert James Fischer. He also won the US Championship (2009) outright by half a point ahead of the joint runners-up Robert Hess and Alexander Onischuk, and the United States Championship (2012) outright by a full point ahead of the winner of the 2010 and 2011 events, Gata Kamsky. He won the national title for a fourth time when he took out the US Championship (2015) with 8/11, half a point ahead of the outright runner up Ray Robson.

<World championship cycle> Seeded number 87 and aged 16, Nakamura reached the final 16 in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), defeating 46th seed Sergey Volkov, 19th seeded Aleksej Aleksandrov, and 51st seed Alexander Lastin in the preliminary rounds before bowing out to number 3 seed and finalist Michael Adams in the round of 16. He qualified to play in the World Cup (2013) through his rating, and defeated Peruvian WGM Deysi Estela Cori Tello in the first round, Azeri GM Eltaj Safarli in the second round and Indian GM Baskaran Adhiban in the third round, but was eliminated in the Round of 16 (fourth round) by Ukrainian GM Anton Korobov. He qualified by rating to participate in the World Cup (2015), and is doing so although he has already qualified for the Candidates Tournament of 2016 via the Grand Prix series of 2014-15. He defeated Richmond Phiri, Sam Shankland in the first two rounds, as well as Ian Nepomniachtchi in a third round thriller that Nakamura won in the deciding Armageddon blitz tiebreaker game after the three previous sets of rapid and blitz tiebreakers had been drawn. In the Round of 16 (the fourth round) he won against Michael Adams by 1.5-0.5 but lost to Pavel Eljanov in the quarter final, bowing out of the event.

<Grand Prix Series 2012-2013> He started the Grand Prix series with last at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012). After bouncing back into contention with outright second in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), a poor showing at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) eliminated him from contention for the top 2 spots that would have qualified him for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. (1) He did however place 3rd behind Fabiano Caruana and Boris Gelfand in the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) to accumulate 300 GP points and place 6th in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series. Subsequently, his only chance to play in the 2014 Candidates Tournament was to be nominated as the Organizer's wild card once the venue was settled, however this did not eventuate.

<Grand Prix Series 2014-2015> Nakamura competed in the first leg of the series at the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), where he scored 6/11 to place 3rd-7th, half a point behind the joint leaders Caruana and Gelfand. He therefore kicked off with a GP tally of 82 points, representing the even distribution of points applicable to each place from 3rd to 7th. In the second leg of the series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2014), he placed =2nd and stood in 2nd place overall, excellently situated to take advantage of the opportunity to qualify for the Candidates tournament in 2016. He took full advantage of this in FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), when he came =1st to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016.

Standard tournaments

In 2005, he won the 7th Foxwoods Open (2005).

In 2007, he won both the National Open (2007) that was held in Las Vegas and the Casino de Barcelona (2007).

The following year, he beat Xiangzhi Bu in the play-off to win the Gibraltar Masters (2008) Masters Open with 8.0/10.

Nakamura tied for first with Evgeny Najer at the 37th World Open (2009) after taking two last-day byes, each worth half a point and won the Donostia Chess Festival (2009) in tiebreak over Ruslan Ponomariov.

In 2010, he came =4th at Corus Group A (2010), and was equal top scorer in the victorious Rising Stars team in the Rising Stars - Experience (2010) tournament. He scored 5/9 (+1 -0 =8) at the Tal Memorial (2010), placing =4th, and finished the year with =4th place in the London Chess Classic (2010).

Nakamura began 2011 by taking clear first place at the A-Group of the prestigious category 20 Tata Steel Group A (2011) (formerly Corus) with a 9/13 score (+6 -1 =6) and a 2880 performance rating, ahead of a powerful field including the world's top four players: World Champion Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In June 2011, Nakamura placed =3rd in the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), in July he scored 4.5/10 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), in August he came =1st in the 2011 US Open Championship with 7.5/9 and in October he came =3rd in the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011) with 5/10. The following month, he suffered a lapse in form at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2011), scoring 3/9 and coming last but recovered to finish 2011 with second place behind Kramnik at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011), scoring +4 -1 =3 (TPR of 2887).

He started 2012 by coming =2nd (4th on count back) at the Reggio Emilia (2011), half a point behind Anish Giri, and then came =5th at Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9). He followed up in April 2012 with 1st at the 6th Annual Grand Pacific Open held in British Columbia. He competed in the Tal Memorial (2012) held in June, scoring 4/9. In July/August 2012, Nakamura placed a solid =3rd at the Biel Chess Festival (2012), but underperformed at the European Club Cup (2012), although in October 2012, he recovered to some extent by winning the 4 player double round robin 16th Unive Tournament (2012) (crown group) with 4.5/6 (+3 -0 =3). Nakamura finished 2012 with a strong 3rd placement in the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Carlsen and Kramnik, adding enough rating points to restore him to the top 10.

2013 started with a modest 7/13 result for outright 6th at the Tata Steel Group A (2013) event. He then followed up in May 2013 with equal 2nd at the Norway Chess (2013) with 5.5/9, half a point behind Sergey Karjakin and 3rd on tiebreak behind Carlsen; he also placed =2nd with 6/9 at the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw for the main tournament, and earned the right to play with the White pieces in 5 games out of 9. In June 2013, he contested the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), and was outright leader after 6 rounds. However, he lost the last 3 game to place 6th with 4.5/9, winning more games (4) and losing more games (4) than any other player in the tournament. Soon after, he came =3rd in the Houston Open in July 2013. In September he played in the quadrangular double round robin category 22 Sinquefield Cup (2013), and was in contention for first place until the last round, when he drew against Gata Kamsky finishing second with 3.5/6 (+2 -1 =3; TPR 2863) behind Magnus Carlsen.

Nakamura's first event in 2014 was the category 20 Tata Steel Masters (2014) where he scored 5/11 (+2 -3 =6) to shed a few rating points for FIDE's February rating list. He next competed in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014) in which he placed 4th with 2/5 after coming agonisingly close to defeating World Champion Magnus Carlsen. He came 2nd with 3.5/5 in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) which followed the standard time event, to remain in 4th in the overall event with the results of the standard and rapid events combined. In April, he participated in the inaugural Gashimov Memorial (2014), a category XXII 6-player DRR event inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri grandmaster, scoring 5/10 and placing =3rd behind Carlsen and Caruana. At the London Chess Classic (2014), he scored 2.5/5 to place 4th.

Nakamura's start to 2015 was to win the powerful Gibraltar Masters (2015) with 8.5/10 (+7 =3), and return a PB on his live rating and his new FIDE rating due in March. Despite cracking the 2800 barrier in the live ratings during the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015) held in February, he placed outright 2nd in the standard portion of the event behind Anand, ahead of Kramnik, Karjakin, Aronian and Caruana respectively. His second place in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015) with 3/5 made him =1st with Anand in the overall event, but he won an Armageddon tiebreaker with the former World Champion to win first prize. His good form continued at the category 22 Norway Chess (2015) event, where he was undefeated to place =2nd (3rd on a narrow SB tiebreak), behind Topalov and alongside Anand with 6/9 and a TPR of 2900. In September he competed in the second leg of the inaugural Grand Chess Tour at Sinquefield Cup (2015), and finished equal second with 5/9 behind Aronian in what amounted to a par for rating performance. October saw Nakamura compete in the lucrative Millionaire Chess (2015) tournament, which he won after battling through a complicated tiebreak system that involved a playoff to decide a playoff for fourth, and then winning a knockout rapid game semi-final that was called after round 7 of 9 of the main standard time event. He finished the year with a poor performance at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he came in toward the bottom of the field after scoring 4/9.

He started 2016 with an upbeat result at the Gibraltar Masters (2016), winning first prize after a rapid and blitz game tiebreak that ended in an Armageddon victory against runner-up Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. He finished clear second at the
FIDE Grand Swiss (2023), scoring 8/11 (+5 =6 -0) and qualifying for the 2024 Candidates tournament.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Nakamura has represented the U.S. in the Olympiads of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014, helping his country to the bronze medal in 2006 and 2008. He scored 6/10 during the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) on top board for the USA and a performance rating of 2741 and 6/9 in the Istanbul Olympiad (2012), coming in fourth on top board. His overall score in Olympiads is 31 points accumulated in 49 games played.

<World Team Championship> Nakamura played board 1 for the USA at the World Team Championship (2010), scoring individual gold and team silver. He also played top board at the World Team Championship (2013), winning individual silver and helping his team to 4th place in the event.

<European Club Cup> He played top board for the SK Husek Vienna in the European Club Cup (2009) and top board for the Italian club Obiettivo Risarcimento Padova in 2012 and 2013, second board for the Italian club in 2014 and board 3 for the same club in 2015. He scored individual bronze in 2013 and 2014.

Rapids

Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. In 2008, he challenged and broke blitz king Alexander Grischuk 's record at ICC of 3737, reaching 3750. Grischuk subsequently challenged Nakamura to a 20 game 3 minutes blitz match, which Nakamura took out convincingly by 14.5-5.5. (2) He also won the first ICC Open in 2011 ahead of over 2000 other contestants. (3)

In 2007, he won the annual Corsica Masters (2007), defeating Rustam Kasimdzhanov in the final. One of the most convincing demonstrations of Nakamura's ability as a rapid player was when he won the Trophee CCAS (2008), defeating Xiangzhi Bu, Anatoly Karpov and Vasyl Ivanchuk in the playoff matches to take first prize in a field that included Carlsen. Nakamura also defeated Carlsen to take out the BNbank Blitz (2009). He was runner-up to Ivanchuk at the Cap d'Agde (2010) in the playoff. He also defeated Rising Stars team mate Anish Giri for the right to play at Amber 2011.

In 2012, Nakamura won the trifecta of silver medals at the SportAccord World Mind Games (Men's Rapid) (2012), the World Mind Games (Men's Blitz) and the World Mind Games (Men's Blindfold) events. He closed out 2013 by winning the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013), defeating Gelfand in the final by 1.5-0.5, after qualifying for the final by winning the preliminary London Chess Classic (Group C) (2013).

In June 2014, he competed in both the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014) that were held in Dubai. In the former, he scored a relatively meager 8.5/15, losing 40 rapid rating points, while he was much more successful in the latter, scoring 16/21, being the runner up by a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. His blitz rating skyrocketed to over 2900. Subsequently he competed in the Super Rapidplay Open that was a companion event to the 2014 London Classic (see above), winning the event with an almost perfect score of 9.5/10. He also competed in the London Elite Player Blitz that was the other companion event, and placed =1st with 6/10.

The 2016 edition of the Zurich Chess Challenge was a two-part event, which kicked off with a preliminary Zurich Chess Challenge (Opening Blitz) (2016) to determine who had three whites in the five rounds of the Zurich Chess Challenge (2016) (rapid). Nakamura placed first in the Opening Blitz earning the use of the white pieces in three of the five rounds of the first section of the actual tournament, the round robin rapid event where he placed equal first alongside Anand. Nakamura playing the black pieces three times in the second section of the event, the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2016), again placed equal first with Anand to tie the overall score, but won on tiebreak to take first prize.

He has authored the book Bullet Chess: One Minute to Mate.

Matches

In December 2004, Nakamura played the best-of-six game Karjakin - Nakamura Match (2004) in the "Duelo de los Jovenes Prodigios" (Duel of the Wonder Boys) in Cuernavaca, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, winning 4.5-1.5 (+4 -1 =1). In May 2011 at the St Louis chess club, he won the Nakamura - Ponomariov Match (2011) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =3 -1). In June 2014, he played for the Cez Trophy Navara - Nakamura Match (2014) in Praha, Czechia, which involved a 4-game standard time match against David Navara. He won the match by 3.5-0.5.

960 Chess

In August 2009, Nakamura defeated Aronian in Mainz, Germany to become the 960 world champion and remained unchallenged as such until Carlsen defeated him in a match in February 2018 by a margin of 14-10.

Ratings and rankings

Nakamura's highest ranking as a Junior (U20) was #3 in April 2004 and 2005. He first broke into the world's top 100 in October 2004 when he was still 16 years old, and has remained in the top 100 continuously since that time. He reached the world's top 10 in January 2011, and has remained in that elite group continuously since January 2013. In September 2015 his rating reached 2814 despite which he was still ranked world #4 behind Carlsen, Anand and Topalov respectively. However in October 2016, his ranking reached its highest point so far, 2816, when his ranking was world #2, his highest ranking so far.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012–2013 (2) http://dod.ru/chess/game/Crest/Smal...; (3) Further details are at this post: Hikaru Nakamura; (4) https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (podcast interview by Ben Johnson through iTunes); Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Hikaru Nakamura

Last updated: 2024-04-14 20:46:42

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 page 1 of 157; games 1-25 of 3,915  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Predescu vs Nakamura 1-0641995U.S. National Scholastic Grade 2 ChampionshipB08 Pirc, Classical
2. L Au vs Nakamura 1-0431997Hawaii opB83 Sicilian
3. Nakamura vs J Bonin 1-0361997Marshall Chess ClubC02 French, Advance
4. J Kleinman vs Nakamura  ½-½411997January CongressA49 King's Indian, Fianchetto without c4
5. Nakamura vs B Karen 0-1521997Nassau FuturityB06 Robatsch
6. A Bisguier vs Nakamura 0-1211998Somerset ACN Action SwissE70 King's Indian
7. B Karen vs Nakamura  0-1261998Nassau g/30B23 Sicilian, Closed
8. A Stripunsky vs Nakamura 0-1431998Marshall Chess ClubB40 Sicilian
9. P MacIntyre vs Nakamura  1-0541998US Amateur Team EastA07 King's Indian Attack
10. J Thinnsen vs Nakamura 1-035199899th US OpenA45 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Nakamura vs I Krush 1-062199899th US OpenB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
12. S Kriventsov vs Nakamura  1-0241999Rated TournamentB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
13. Nakamura vs J Fang 0-12119998th Eastern Class ChampionshipsB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
14. A David vs Nakamura  1-025199927th World OpenB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
15. Nakamura vs W Paschall  ½-½251999North Bay OpenB65 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...Be7 Defense, 9...Nxd4
16. J Hebert vs Nakamura  1-0601999North Bay OpenE97 King's Indian
17. Nakamura vs V Rajlich  1-0521999North Bay OpenB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
18. G Taylor vs Nakamura  1-0311999North Bay OpenE75 King's Indian, Averbakh, Main line
19. Nakamura vs F Baragar  0-1451999North Bay OpenC17 French, Winawer, Advance
20. M Stroud vs Nakamura  0-1371999North Bay OpenE92 King's Indian
21. S Glinert vs Nakamura  ½-½381999North Bay OpenA07 King's Indian Attack
22. D Moody vs Nakamura 0-1201999100th US OpenB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Nakamura vs A Aleksandrov ½-½601999100th US OpenC45 Scotch Game
24. A Wojtkiewicz vs Nakamura 1-0421999100th US OpenE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
25. Nakamura vs G Gaiffe 1-0541999100th US OpenB23 Sicilian, Closed
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Mar-31-08  Augalv: <TheGladiatres: I cant' possibly understand why he turned down the offer to play in Corus B, with a chance to qualify for Corus A 2009.>

Yes, why did Naka turn down the invitation to play in Corus B?

Mar-31-08  acirce: <This will be the last time I post on here for some time so I would like to clear up a few issues. Let me start by saying that I was indeed given the opportunity to play in Corus B. That being said, the financial offer, quite frankly, was insulting. When you consider the fact that I got a better offer when I played back in 2004, it says a lot! Secondly, I am at the age now, where when I play chess tournaments I don't solely play because my only purpose is to bash in people's egos ala CrazyMan Fischer. I go to play good chess and enjoy myself. When I go to a place like Gibraltar where the weather is nice, (Wijk aan Zee is rain and clouds every day)I find the whole atmosphere entirely more relaxing.

Mishanp, I'm not quite sure what you refer to about invites when the only one I had last year was for Barcelona! Also, outside of the obvious incentive to play in the A Group, the winner of the B group in Corus made $3000 or 3000 Euros (don't remember right off which number is accurate), and when I compare this to Gibraltar where people are friendly,financial conditions are better, and the weather is nice; the choice becomes quite simple.

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Posted by: Hikaru Nakamura at February 6, 2008 12:59>

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Mar-31-08  acirce: Btw, a real '??' move if his real aim is to join the elite, I think.
Mar-31-08  chessmoron: Pardon my French, Nakamura is a stupid idiot.

Winning the Corus B group and joining Kramnik, Anand, Topalov, and many more top 10 GMs is worth more than anything else in the world for a chess player.

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <but not in terms of winning tournaments...>

i see one tournament win that counts for something during the last 18 months for nakamura - the win in barcelona 2007. that was really strong, in a very decent tournament (category 15, average rating 2606).

if he instead of playing gibtelecom and playing badly in the first 5 rounds, had accepted corus b, he'd have two category 15 events within the last few months - and even be qualified to corus a next year if he'd won. instead he played and made gibtelecom a <category 11 event> for himself, by his disastrous start. catgory 11 means average of opponents at just above 2500 - here it meant 2507. that's similar to corus c this year.

i don't know what it is about americans and 1st places, irrespective of how you "win" it and the quality of the event. for me, the chinese bu was superior to nakamura in gibtelecom - 2 blitz games do nothing to change that. in gibtelecom, bu had a performance similar to that of nakamura in barcelona, btw, against similar opposition.

i've written lots about this elsewhere already (my player pages, other cg.com pages, mig's daily dirt and so on) - but so far my impression is that (most) americans think every win is equal. that i (and many with me) don't find it very impressive that a 2670-rated player manage to score well against a 2507-average, seems to go by unnoticed, even if written in big, bold, vivid colours. :o)

here the main message is, again: most 2650+ players don't spend their valuable time playing tournaments where they face averages of around 2500 and below. usually nobody cares if you win such a tournament - it gives no prestige. when people again and again come dragging with <the number of tournament wins> for nakamura, it almost makes me want to scream!

about the above players, i can mention the following:

* eljanov won corus b 2007 with a 2736 performance

* movsesian won corus b 2008 with a 2789 performance

* bu was for me the "moral" winner of gibtelecom with a 2800+ performance - the chinese _always_ play courtesy draws against each others in international events, so bu "couldn't" win when he faced a countryman in the final round.

* alekseev and jakovenko tied for first in the russian championship december 2006 - a <stronger event> than nakamura's barcelona tournament 2007, for instance

* alekseev won the strongest open event in the world in 2007, aeroflot open, with a 2828 performance - and qualified for dortmund 2007

* jakovenko scored half a point less than alekseev in aeroflot, for a 3rd place among around 40 (forty!) 2600+ players, including a couple 2700s - his performance was 2768

* both wang and ni scored the same amount of points there, for solid 2700+ performances (better than naka's gibtelecom performance), being rated 2630-ish and 2640-ish

* alekseev placed 2nd in dortmund super-gm 2007, behind only kramnik, with a 2785 performance

* yue wang won one of the biggest opens in europe in 2007, capelle la grande with over 600 players including 87 GMs and 81 IMs, with a 2784 performance

* jakovenko won the 8th karpov tournament in march 2007 - a category 17 event with average 2654 (nakamura never played such a strong event) - with a 2776 performance

* cheparinov won the sigeman 2007 tournament with a 2770 performance

* dominguez won the Magistral Ciutat de Barcelona-Casino 2006, with an amazing 8/9 score and a 2922 performance - undefeated, with a win over ivanchuk to boot. his only loss in the 2007 event was against nakamura

* dominguez also won the latin-american zonal with 11.5/13, qualified to the world cup and got to the 3rd round where he lost against carlsen

* ni and wang tied for first at the philippines international 2007, with wang taking the title on tie-breaks. performances were 2758 for wang and 2727 for ni

and these were highlights, mostly in (clearly) stronger events than those nakamura typically plays.

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <and one thing that playing in swisses does, is force you to play for a win EVERY GAME>

like i've also stated very many times before - european players are very well aquainted with playing in swiss tournaments. most of our tournaments are indeed swisses (or similar systems). what there is to be learned from playing opens, will also be learned by europeans and others playing in europe.

the very top events, though, are mostly round robins, which typically makes for higher quality tournaments where you only play "qualified" opposition.

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <He's been beating 2650+ GMs like they're nothing>

this is nonsense, river beast. excuse me, but i've actually gone through every single tournament nakamura has played for the last 2 years, and both times i checked the period of his results in the last 12 months against 2600+ players, it came down to a 57% score in a) 15 games and b) 14 games.

that he had _one_ very good tournament (the barcelona event) where he beat some players at his own level (2670 ), does not change that.

basically, nakamura faces 2600+ opposition in about 20% of his games, which is very little to improve from the level he is at.

Mar-31-08
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  keypusher: <However, Fischer (and other Americans who succeeded internationally...Seirawan, Christiansen et al) were also products of this 'swiss' system...>

I don't think Fischer was the product of the Swiss system. He played in a number of Swiss tournaments when he was 13 and 14. When he was 14 he won the US title. He didn't play many Swisses after that. He also developed his talent far more completely than any American after him. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Seirawan and Christiansen had nice careers but, coming on the chess scene around 1982, I expected them to accomplish more than they did, to be blunt. They both looked like they were going to become permanent members of the GM elite, but it never happened. So maybe Swiss tournaments are a good preparation for becoming a top GM, but I haven't seen much evidence for it.

Of course, computers and continuous online play weren't an option for Seirawan and Christiansen. As <Jim Bartle> says, maybe Nakamura is finding a new way to superstardom. But I doubt it.

<i don't know what it is about americans and 1st places, irrespective of how you "win" it and the quality of the event. >

frogbert, not to beat this topic into the ground, but there are 300 million people in the United States. I think your sample size for determining what "Americans" think is rather limited.

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <These people just don't want to believe that Nakamura's the real deal.>

that's not what we are saying - we're saying that

1) so far he hasn't done too much very impressive - the barcelona 2007 event is the exception, not the rule the way i count

2) he chooses the wrong events to improve at chess and improve his chances of joining the elite

3) nakamura fans obviously don't know details about the other young players comparable to nakamura rating-wise (though currently higher rated) - and this extends both to the tournaments they have played and their wins and other strong results

4) more surprising: many nakamura fans aren't even able to give a trustworthy account of nakamura's results, game records and performances

now i'm out of here :o)

Mar-31-08  Riverbeast: Don't just look at the results, Frogbert. Look at the GAMES. Recently he's defeated Lenier Domingues (2680) in very one-sided fashion, and more recently Andrei Sokolov (okay, he's a little past his prime perhaps, but he was once a WC candidates finalist) in equally one-sided fashion.

Not bad for a '24 hour/day ICC addict'.

Consistently beating weaker opposition is what makes an elite player. The 2700+ club don't always beat on each other regularly, but they allow NO CHANCES against 2500-2600 GMs. And I believe this is the level Nakamura is reaching.

<bu was for me the "moral" winner of gibtelecom with a 2800+ performance - the chinese _always_ play courtesy draws against each others in international events, so bu "couldn't" win when he faced a countryman in the final round.>

What 'moral' winner? He lost the playoff....You can argue about the merits of a blitz playoff, and I might agree with you...But like I said, a lot of tournaments are decided in rapid and blitz playoffs nowadays.

Nakamura recovered from a slow start in this tournament to win his last five games, which shows excellent fighting spirit.

And similar to my earlier point, maybe this courtesy draw' thing with Bu in the last round was part of his problem...not only with him, but a lot of the European players

<Seirawan and Christiansen had nice careers but, coming on the chess scene around 1982, I expected them to accomplish more than they did, to be blunt. They both looked like they were going to become permanent members of the GM elite, but it never happened>

I don't agree. Seirawan was a WC candidate and a Super GM/elite player in his day.

Christiansen did not quite reach those levels, but he won some strong round robins.

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <I think your sample size for determining what "Americans" think is rather limited.>

keypusher, the sample size is indeed small, but it includes everyone arguing in favour of nakamura at chessgames.com and elsewhere. like i said before. :o)

please try to repair my impression, keypusher :o)

Mar-31-08  frogbert: <What 'moral' winner? He lost the playoff....>

you're just proving my point. here it is, in bold letters:

<they played entirely different tournaments, and didn't face each other in "real" chess>

nakamura played a category 11 event.

bu played a category 15 event.

both scored 8 points. go figure. i couldn't care less about the blitz playoff - bu's tiebreaks were superior to nakamura's, who just came sailing on a swiss wave. fine if it impresses you, i'm not so easily impressed. bye. :o)

Mar-31-08  acirce: I've got a somewhat different impression.

For all the talk about American bragging, grandiosity, uncritical patriotism, etc, if anything it's striking how <few> of all the American users on a site like this who <are> Fischer/Nakamura/etc fanatics (and as such will believe in and argue for all kinds of rubbish), and how many who seem to keep their heads pretty cool about such subjects while of course they do root for their countrymen.

(Btw, everybody knows that Ulf Andersson is the greatest player ever, that Emanuel Berg is the strongest player around right now, and that it's shameful that the incredible talent Nils Grandelius has not yet received a Linares invitation)

Mar-31-08  Riverbeast: No, there's no uncritical patriotism on the Carlsen page, for example....They're all so 'objective' over there
Mar-31-08  square dance: why are people trying to compare naka and carlsen. last time i checked there was no comparison.
Mar-31-08
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  alexmagnus: <No, there's no uncritical patriotism on the Carlsen page, for example....They're all so 'objective' over there> I challenge you to find some! I don't see <any> uncritical post in something which is worth critics. Even more, the critical points are quite often discussed there (see the whole "luck" discussion).
Mar-31-08  timhortons: yah go try and check carlsen page, id never been there for a long time, i always see him at icc playing wild chess variant at icc, maybe his fans would try to convince him stop playing chess variant, it well never help his chess career
Mar-31-08  rogge: <acirce> Never thought of it that way, good point. But if I were American, I'd root for Kamsky, I think he's better than Nakamura will ever be.
Mar-31-08  Riverbeast: I pull for Kamsky...I've played him in tournaments (once missed a winning queen sac against him, and lost! One of my great chess regrets...that could have been one to tell my grandchildren...)

I also pull for non-American players...

Nakamura was raised in the US though...A lot of the other top GMs who 'play' for the US...Onichuk, Kamsky, etc....gained most of their chess strength in other countries...so it's hard to say they are 'products' of America, so to speak.

And <Rogge> I'm not just saying he's the 'real deal' because he's American...This is my objective evaluation of his strength and talent...Give him some time...When he starts beating your boy Carlsen, I'll be talking some serious 'smack' on your page :-)

Mar-31-08
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  alexmagnus: <hen he starts beating your boy Carlsen, I'll be talking some serious 'smack' on your page :-) > if he continues playing in tournaments he used to play before, he'll never get a game against Carlsen, let alone a win :)
Mar-31-08
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  keypusher: <Riverbeast: No, there's no uncritical patriotism on the Carlsen page, for example....They're all so 'objective' over there>

Well, they are fans, in the normal sense of the term. They love Carlsen and they want him to do well. But for their posts to be equivalent to some of what gets written about Nakamura, they would have to say stuff like <Carlsen is already the best in the world> and <It's an outrage that Anand and Kramnik get to play for the wolrld title -- Carlsen should get his shot!>. I haven't seen much of that.

Mar-31-08  Riverbeast: <keypusher> I've never seen anyone say Nakamura is the best in the world, or deserves a shot against Anand and Kramnik. If anyone did, I would also say he was being ridiculous...

However, Frogbert and the others who say Nakamura's achievements are 'no big deal' are ignoring the fact that Nakamura has been winning all these tournaments while in college, playing on the ICC all the time, etc...Not even as a full time tournament player...

Mar-31-08
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  alexmagnus: <I've never seen anyone say Nakamura is the best in the world, or deserves a shot against Anand and Kramnik. If anyone did, I would also say he was being ridiculous...> But Nakamura is also not rated 2765, like Carlsen will be since tomorrow:)
Mar-31-08  Augalv: Accepting the invitation to Corus B, would have given Naka a great chance to qualify for Corus A the following year. As <chessmoron> said, <Winning the Corus B group and joining Kramnik, Anand, Topalov, and many more top 10 GMs is worth more than anything else in the world for a chess player.>
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  keypusher: <<keypusher> I've never seen anyone say Nakamura is the best in the world, or deserves a shot against Anand and Kramnik. If anyone did, I would also say he was being ridiculous...>

<riverbeast>

My point is that a Nakamura fan who says Nakamura <routinely> beats +2650s (when, in fact, he hardly ever plays them) or is being discriminated against because he hasn't been invited to Corus A or some other supertournament is guilty of just as much "homer-ism" (as the sports fans say) as a Carlsen fan would be who said that Carlsen was already #1 or deserved a world title match right now. The Carlsen fans don't seem to let their appreciation of their hero run ahead of his actual accomplishments the way some of the Nakamura fans do.

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