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Dec-10-23
 | | Sally Simpson: The Caro Kann suited Karpov's equalise with Black and win with White style. The plan being if his opponents over pressed, took chances with White he would very often see them off. The Caro Kann was one of his main defenses v 1.e4 in matches and you can see the very basic happy to draw as Black but I'll get you if you risk it formula against Karpov's Caro Kann in action. Karpov's Caro Kann v Spassky 1974 (1 win,3 draws) v Sokolov 1987 (1 win 5 draws) v Timman 1993 (1 win 3 draws) I say 'very basic' because there was a lot more in some of these games than just the opening but you get the general idea. |
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Dec-10-23
 | | perfidious: <Geoff>, in the first half of the 1970s, he was willing to try most anything, even the Bg5 Najdorf; but by the time he faced Kasparov, it was a different matter. Actually, one opening which was not often seen in Karpov's early praxis at top level was the Caro-Kann; my recollection is that he viewed it in a negative way, but thought it possibly the best choice to combat Spassky. He would only regularly take up 1....c6 by the time he squared off with Sokolov, and thereafter. |
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Dec-10-23
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Perfidious,
Karpov was rather a cunning chap. Possibly Caro Kann for matches and flick one out in the occasional tournament. His Caro Kann failed in his matches v Gelfand and Short (one loss and one draw) in each match. So he switched to 1...c5 or 1...e5. He played it four times v Anand in a match (4 draws) so it appears it was a match weapon v selected opponents. (only twice, two draws in his matches v Kasparov.) A fair chunk of Karpov's other Caro Kann losses here are from comic events, blitz, rapid and blindfold. |
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Dec-10-23
| | perfidious: <Geoff>, through 1979, Karpov had played that unmentionable opening less than I--and I only tried it for the first time in summer 1978! https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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| Feb-08-24 | | AliSawalha: I believe Karpov is the best with white prices |
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May-23-24
 | | Joshka: Happy Birthday/Still a shame you never got to play the 1975 match with Bobby. Cause of Fischer I got introduced to chess. Still saddens me how the whole Championship cycle came tumbling down. Was very happy to have a meet and greet with you way back in 2003 in Florida. Stay well, and may God Bless! |
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| May-23-24 | | thebully99: On his 73rd birthday, I highlight his greatest games 1. Linares double rook sac brilliancy vs. Topalov
2. Positional masterclass vs. Unzicker
3. Game 9 of the 1984 Kasparov match
4. [Insert another brilliant win against Kasparov]
5. [Insert a game against Korchnoi] |
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May-23-24
 | | 0ZeR0: Happy birthday, Anatoly Yevgenyevich Karpov, whose chess style and philosophy as demonstrated in his games is an eternally foremost inspiration to myself as both a player and enthusiast. |
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| May-24-24 | | Chessinfinite: <thebully99> I would definitely mention Karpov Linares 94 win, probably the best tournament performance ever. |
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Jun-11-24
 | | Fusilli: <Chessinfinite: <thebully99> I would definitely mention Karpov Linares 94 win, probably the best tournament performance ever.> You mean <his> (Karpov's) <best tournament performance ever>, right? Or are you inviting debate on the <best tournament performance ever> in the history of chess? |
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Jun-11-24
| | Fusilli: So, can we consider Karpov forever retired from standard chess? The one tournament in this database from 2022 was a blitz. At 73, his rating is a more than respectable 2617. When we look at chess longevity, the most cited names are typically Smyslov and Korchnoi, or Lasker, and even perhaps Najdorf. But Karpov deserves a spot in the longevity pantheon, doesn't he? Or has he not played often enough after age, say, 60, to deserve it? |
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Jun-11-24
| | perfidious: <Fusilli>, how would we view Lasker had he not played top-class chess after Moscow 1925, which was his intention, until difficult circumstances forced him back into the arena in his mid sixties? |
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Jun-11-24
 | | keypusher: How in the hell can Karpov be 73 years old. I demand an investigation! |
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Jun-13-24
| | Fusilli: <perfidious> Good question. I wonder what Lasker himself thought of how well he did in old age! |
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| Jun-13-24 | | csmath: Those are very different times, early in 20th century chess was not really organized in any sense. Karpov's times (until the mess created in late 1990ies) were probably the most organized times for chess. Karpov's long term at the very top (#1 or #2 1973-1996) is really amazing. Second only to Kasparov #1 or #2 from 1982-2005 (self-retirement). Maybe Carlsen can break this though today's chess is probably more competetive than ever. Karpov and Kasparov were titans of chess and we do not have any rivarly like that anywhere in the history of chess. Truly special times. Botvinnik's school. |
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| Jun-14-24 | | fabelhaft: <When we look at chess longevity, the most cited names are typically Smyslov and Korchnoi, or Lasker, and even perhaps Najdorf. But Karpov deserves a spot in the longevity pantheon, doesn't he?> In classical Karpov did drop quite a bit already in his 50s, compared to the mentioned players. I’m not sure if this was his last real classical tournament, but Lasker, Korchnoi etc had some great results when much older (for example Korchnoi won Biel ahead of Grischuk, Svidler, Gelfand etc when 70). Donostia Chess Festival (2009) |
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| Jan-13-25 | | The Rocket: Karpov had a big influence on me learning the game, but the truth is that his level of play vs Korchnoi was far below that of Fischer. Have a look at Karpovs black openings and how they match up to Fisher. It¨s a dream opponent. Kasparov wouldnt beat 70s Fischer either, nor has he ever suggested that he would When Deep Blue announced that its a game between the worlds greatest chess player and Kasparov, Kasparov replied: Bobby Fischer? I thought I was playing Deep Blue. I think 2001 Kasparov vs 70s Fischer is a toss up though. Karpov got really strong with the white pieces around the time he faced Kasparov the first time, thats the first time he has a real chance of winning a match against Fischer, but his black games needed to be impeccable. |
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| Feb-01-25 | | Petrosianic: Karpov's book, <Karpov on Karpov> mentions that in the late 70's, he, Fischer and Campomanes were together in the Philippines with contracts ready to sign. With the pen literally in his hand, Fischer raised a last-second objection about what to call the match, and demanded a name that he knew the Soviets wouldn't allow. But one thing that the book doesn't say is what match terms were in those contracts. Was it going to be first to 10 wins? Was there a 9-9 tie clause? |
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Mar-27-25
 | | Gottschalk: Not in database:
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[Round "1"]
[White "Karpov, Anatoly"]
[Black "Morovic Fernandez, Ivan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
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1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 c5 7. dxc5 dxc5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Bxc5 Nc6 10. Nd5 Nd7 11. Bxe7 Nxe7 12. Nxe7+ Kf8 13. Nd5 Bxb2 14. Rb1 Bg7 15. Nh3 Nc5 16. Nhf4 b6 17. Be2 Bb7 18. O-O Rac8 19. Rfd1 Na4 20. Rb4 Nc3 21. Nxc3 Bxc3 22. Rxd8+ Rxd8 23. Rb3 Bd4+ 24. Kh1 Rc8 25. g3 g5 26. Nd5 Bxd5 27. exd5 Re8 28. Bd3 Re1+ 29. Kg2 h5 30. h4 g4 31. fxg4 hxg4 32. d6 Rg1+ 33. Kh2 Rd1 34. h5 Rd2+ 35. Kh1 Rd1+ 36. Kg2 Rd2+ 1/2-1/2 [Event "Arica m rapid"]
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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Nbd2 Bf8 14. d5 Nb8 15. Nf1 Nbd7 16. N3h2 Nc5 17. Bc2 c6 18. b4 Ncd7 19. dxc6 Bxc6 20. Bg5 Be7 21. Bxf6 Nxf6 22. Ng4 Nxg4 23. Qxg4 Bd7 24. Qf3 Be6 25. Bb3 Bg5 26. g3 Rc8 27. h4 Bh6 28. Red1 Qd7 29. Rd3 Rc6 30. Nh2 Rf8 31. Bxe6 fxe6 32. Qh5 Rc4 33. Rad1 Qa7 34. Ng4 d5 35. exd5 exd5 36. Qxe5 Rxg4 37. Qe6+ Qf7 38. Qxg4 Qxf2+ 39. Kh1 Qxa2 40. Qe6+ Kh8 41. Rf3 Rg8 42. Qxd5 1-0 |
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Apr-02-25
 | | MarcusBierce: <The Rocket: Karpov had a big influence on me learning the game, but the truth is that his level of play vs Korchnoi was far below that of Fischer.
Have a look at Karpovs black openings and how they match up to Fisher. It¨s a dream opponent.> As White:
Karpov had an absolute crushing record against the Najdorf Sicilian, his <only> loss in classical vs Kasparov in ‘85. Career Classical record in the database +19 =19 -1 https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... As Black:
Karpov went undefeated between a 1970-82 from the Black side of the Ruy, playing various lines (pre-Zaitsev Ruy era) Undefeated in the Nimzo from 72-82
Undefeated in the Queen’s Indian 74-84
Undefeated against 1.c4 from 71-78
He only trotted out the Caro Kann vs Spassky as a single match prep, didn’t play it until much later. Petrov much the same.
The young Karpov was different. |
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Apr-02-25
| | MarcusBierce: Other notes:
Karpov was already excellent at endgames by ‘75, if not quite the beast he would become. Fischer was not going to have an automatic advantage in that phase of the game. Further, he was a quick player, younger than Fischer, and very calm in even the most complicated of positions. Finally, he walked right into Polugaevsky’s Najdorf wheelhouse ‘74 and drubbed him +3 =1 No doubt Fischer was watching. |
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| Apr-02-25 | | Petrosianic: <MarcusBierce>: <Finally, he walked right into Polugaevsky’s Najdorf wheelhouse ‘74 and drubbed him +3 =1.> But he was probably lost in one of those games. |
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Apr-03-25
| | MarcusBierce: Petrosianic <: <MarcusBierce>: <Finally, he walked right into Polugaevsky’s Najdorf wheelhouse ‘74 and drubbed him +3 =1.>
But he was probably lost in one of those games.> Sure, and he had an advantageous position and a couple of draws in hand vs Kasparov in ‘85, game 24, as late as move 39. Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 Meanwhile, we can look at all of Spassky’s promising positions and outright blunders in ‘72 and ask ourselves “would ‘75 Karpov play like that?” Would Karpov “forget” the advantageous prep as Petrosian did vs Fischer in Game 1 and go on to lose? Fischer vs Petrosian, 1971 The Petrosian game is another good indication that Karpov’s openings would not have been a problem in ‘75, as he played the Sicilian the same way back then, with no losses in the 5.Nb5 line. Repertoire Explorer: Anatoly Karpov (black) Point is, Karpov’s openings would not have been a problem. A healthy and hungry and sane OTB Fischer would have been the major problem. The ‘75 hungry, young, ambitious, quick, strong endgame, nerves of steel, solid openings Karpov would/could still lose, but that only would happen with Fischer being the 70-72 version. And no one knows about that. |
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Apr-03-25
| | perfidious: As so often, matters in that scenario were not quite so clear-cut as <Bierce/Everett/Brown> wishes to portray them with his propaganda machine. |
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Apr-03-25
| | MarcusBierce: <perfidious> nothing I said is clear-cut. However It was stated that Karpov was a “dream opponent” for Fischer, with a mention to openings. I simply stated otherwise, and even backed it up with, ya know, facts, and *gasp* links. And these weird things called logic and reasoning. Yet you come sniping at me. Seems like a fixation issue. Not my issue. One person’s informed opinion is not propaganda, btw. My goodness. Might be time to refrain from engaging with you. But hey, <you’re invited to> reread my last post on Larsen’s page re: an ignorant claim that Bronstein was “done” at 34, when he was more deserving a candidates match than Geller, Ivkov, and Portisch in 1964, based on his actual performance at this game called chess. Same with Stein.
You know, we’re surrounded with lies, falsehoods, half-truths, and ignorance. I’m not keen on perpetuating it. Completely understand that deluded individuals are offended by rational arguments, yet this is also not a worry of mine. If I ever decide to swim in the cesspool that is the Rogoff page again, I’m sure I’ll have hundreds less pages of snide drivel to rot my brain. Thanks for that, good luck, and best wishes. |
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